ESPN: Virginia's Bennett rejects raise in new deal

ltf

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The down low? It doesn't really work like that anywhere. In truth, he could have gotten a raise AND more money for his assistants. He chose not to.
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No doubt word wouldve gotten out, but Bennett didnt need to be the one blowing the trumpet in my view. Just dont understand why not accept the raise and then distribute the money as he sees fit. Seems the more self-effacing way to go.
 
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dpodoll68

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I think Pitino is a good coach, I think Brewster was a bad HC.
Pitino Big Ten winning percentage: .364
Brewster Big Ten winning percentage: .222

Apparently the line between good and bad is pretty thin.

Also, LOL at calling .364 "good". A percentage of .364 is Hall of Fame for a MLB hitter, but dogsh1t for a Big Ten basketball coach.

I've also made fun of built plenty of times for his Bennett worship, but all of the sensitive Sallies are being ridiculous in this thread. I didn't realize it was controversial to call one of the nation's best active college basketball coaches much better at his job than one of the worst active Big Ten basketball coaches.
 

Urbandale

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I've also made fun of built plenty of times for his Bennett worship, but all of the sensitive Sallies are being ridiculous in this thread. I didn't realize it was controversial to call one of the nation's best active college basketball coaches much better at his job than one of the worst active Big Ten basketball coaches.
That would not be a controversial stance at all, agreed.

However, built's tirade was in response to this statement: "Bennett is a good coach and looks to be a good guy, but let’s hold back on giving him sainthood." Why built suddenly took innocuous statement as some kind of personal attack on Bennett is both amusing and confounding.
 

builtbadgers

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That would not be a controversial stance at all, agreed.

However, built's tirade was in response to this statement: "Bennett is a good coach and looks to be a good guy, but let’s hold back on giving him sainthood." Why built suddenly took innocuous statement as some kind of personal attack on Bennett is both amusing and confounding.
Simply stated that it sounds to me like it is a very poor description. Also do not need to be accused of worship or calling sainthood for Tony or anyone else. In my world there is no worship or sainthood for anyone or anything. Merely the acknowledgement of what i see as excellence at his craft. Hell, i do that for coaches i was not even fond of, like Bo Ryan or going back further, Don Haskins. Just have preference for greatness. I do not get resentful or jealous when someone does great for any program. If they do not cheat and do great i tip my hat for a great job. Tony Bennett is someone i do not hesitate to recommend to recruits and families when asked.
 
Pitino Big Ten winning percentage: .364
Brewster Big Ten winning percentage: .222

Apparently the line between good and bad is pretty thin.

Also, LOL at calling .364 "good". A percentage of .364 is Hall of Fame for a MLB hitter, but dogsh1t for a Big Ten basketball coach.

I've also made fun of built plenty of times for his Bennett worship, but all of the sensitive Sallies are being ridiculous in this thread. I didn't realize it was controversial to call one of the nation's best active college basketball coaches much better at his job than one of the worst active Big Ten basketball coaches.
Sad thing is Fleck at .277 is closer to Brew than Pitino right now. I don't really care what Built of our coach, Pitino will deal his date one way or another, that reaction to Bennett was over the top. It's like when Big***gy gets mad about the hole not worshipping Wisconsin

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builtbadgers

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Sad thing is Fleck at .277 is closer to Brew than Pitino right now. I don't really care what Built of our coach, Pitino will deal his date one way or another, that reaction to Bennett was over the top. It's like when Big***gy gets mad about the hole not worshipping Wisconsin

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Building in football is worlds different than basketball. He will not be given a 7th year at .364 . I am supporting Pitino this year as i have for 6 years. I do not do worship. Plus it is not something one person can declare that someone else is doing. Acknowledging greatness is not worship .
 

Oregon Gopher

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No doubt word wouldve gotten out, but Bennett didnt need to be the one blowing the trumpet in my view. Just dont understand why not accept the raise and then distribute the money as he sees fit. Seems the more self-effacing way to go.
So he should distribute it and pay taxes on it?


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ltf

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So he should distribute it and pay taxes on it?


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Didnt think about the taxes. Money to assistants would be taxed in either case, but denying the raise would result in the money being distributed to facilities not being taxed. Maybe in order to make the story not about him, accept a raise in the amount of money to be distributed to assistants? Will admit Im not 100% sold on my take. Just seems like denying the raise makes it about him and also puts othet head coaches in a ticklish spot when their raises come due. On the other hand, suppose an argument can be made that other coaches and the super wealthy should be put under the spotlight to give back.
 

alchemy2u

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Pitino Big Ten winning percentage: .364
Brewster Big Ten winning percentage: .222

Apparently the line between good and bad is pretty thin.

Also, LOL at calling .364 "good". A percentage of .364 is Hall of Fame for a MLB hitter, but dogsh1t for a Big Ten basketball coach.

I've also made fun of built plenty of times for his Bennett worship, but all of the sensitive Sallies are being ridiculous in this thread. I didn't realize it was controversial to call one of the nation's best active college basketball coaches much better at his job than one of the worst active Big Ten basketball coaches.
It is the same old thing over and over. We have tried to explain the Pitino track record to you in an endless amount of threads, but it doesn't matter. Pitino has had some very bad years, but he has had some good years. Like i pointed out in another thread: Pitino has a better conference record, overall winning percentage and more trips to the NCAA than coach K had at this point in his career. You will continue to hate on Pitino, that is your prerogative, but I also have a right to my opinions.
 

dpodoll68

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It is the same old thing over and over. We have tried to explain the Pitino track record to you in an endless amount of threads, but it doesn't matter. Pitino has had some very bad years, but he has had some good years. Like i pointed out in another thread: Pitino has a better conference record, overall winning percentage and more trips to the NCAA than coach K had at this point in his career. You will continue to hate on Pitino, that is your prerogative, but I also have a right to my opinions.
Wait, are you comparing Pitino at Minnesota to K at Army? Wow, what an apples-to-apples comparison!

Comparing Pitino at Minnesota to K at Duke (a better and more apt comparison), K went 37-3 (12-2) and lost the national title game in his 6th year. Pitino went 22-14 (9-11) and lost in the 2nd round in his 6th year. There is no comparison.

I get that you have a massive hard-on for Pitino for some reason, but he has been a bad head coach at Minnesota, and that's being charitable.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold

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It is the same old thing over and over. We have tried to explain the Pitino track record to you in an endless amount of threads, but it doesn't matter. Pitino has had some very bad years, but he has had some good years. Like i pointed out in another thread: Pitino has a better conference record, overall winning percentage and more trips to the NCAA than coach K had at this point in his career. You will continue to hate on Pitino, that is your prerogative, but I also have a right to my opinions.
To say "some very bad years" but some "good years" is pretty charitable. I'm hoping we build on last year's postseason success and continue to improve, but I think it is tough to describe his full body of work through six years as anything but pretty awful. .364 B1G winning percentage is terrible, and that includes his good years in it. In three of 6 years, he has gone 6-12 or worse and missed the NIT. In five of six years, he has had a losing B1G record. Balance that bad against two tournament appearances, a 1-2 record in tourney games, and one good but not great 11-7 B1G season. You certainly have a right to your opinion, but I feel like if we looked at any other B1G coach with a similar record, your evaluation would not be so rosy.
 

builtbadgers

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It is the same old thing over and over. We have tried to explain the Pitino track record to you in an endless amount of threads, but it doesn't matter. Pitino has had some very bad years, but he has had some good years. Like i pointed out in another thread: Pitino has a better conference record, overall winning percentage and more trips to the NCAA than coach K had at this point in his career. You will continue to hate on Pitino, that is your prerogative, but I also have a right to my opinions.
Of course your entitled to your opinion, that is the point of the board. Observations, opinions, facts, predictions, rankings of coaches, insights, shared experiences, different experiences. That is all it is.
 

BarnBurner

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Of course your entitled to your opinion, that is the point of the board. Observations, opinions, facts, predictions, rankings of coaches, insights, shared experiences, different experiences. That is all it is.
Along with an axe to the back of RP, courtesy of Built.
 

alchemy2u

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Wait, are you comparing Pitino at Minnesota to K at Army? Wow, what an apples-to-apples comparison!

Comparing Pitino at Minnesota to K at Duke (a better and more apt comparison), K went 37-3 (12-2) and lost the national title game in his 6th year. Pitino went 22-14 (9-11) and lost in the 2nd round in his 6th year. There is no comparison.

I get that you have a massive hard-on for Pitino for some reason, but he has been a bad head coach at Minnesota, and that's being charitable.
Pitino spent his "army years" here at the U. He didn't have 5-15 years of HC learning experience at some smaller school, he was thrown directly into the fire. Again, we have gone over it on several occasion, Pitino has shown some very good parts to his coaching resume that are not reflective by using an overall record. True analysis is done by looking at the detail and not just making a seat of the pants conclusion.
 

builtbadgers

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Pitino spent his "army years" here at the U. He didn't have 5-15 years of HC learning experience at some smaller school, he was thrown directly into the fire. Again, we have gone over it on several occasion, Pitino has shown some very good parts to his coaching resume that are not reflective by using an overall record. True analysis is done by looking at the detail and not just making a seat of the pants conclusion.
Speaking for myself i did not use a seat of the pants approach. People in this industry watch, learn , listen and talk. When will it be long enough for you ? Not everyone had 10-15 years to cut their teeth. No year here has ever been like the Army job. This job is 100% a country club compared to what a coach and recruits there. Your literally recruiting the only people in the world who sign a contract that includes a payable up to the cost of your life ! A true commitment like that thins out your pool in ways you can not even imagine. There are dozens of coaches who had they been hired here early on would have far exceeded a 40-70 record. Hell, i hope Pitino shatters everyone of K's records but until he does one even remotely special thing i do not think there is any reason to think he is special. At some point it has to be about record. What if we get to year 15 without even one top 3 conference record will you say ? I will say enough before that.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold

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It is the same old thing over and over. We have tried to explain the Pitino track record to you in an endless amount of threads, but it doesn't matter. Pitino has had some very bad years, but he has had some good years. Like i pointed out in another thread: Pitino has a better conference record, overall winning percentage and more trips to the NCAA than coach K had at this point in his career. You will continue to hate on Pitino, that is your prerogative, but I also have a right to my opinions.
You mentioned in an earlier post that you have a right to your opinion, which you do. So does dpod. How effective someone thinks a coach is is a subjective matter of their opinion. You clearly have a variety of reasons that make you not care about his on court performance as measured by his record. You can consider or not consider whatever justifications for his poor performance that you want, and that is a valid way for you to form your opinion. But regardless of how many times you have "tried to explain them", that doesnt mean that someone else judging a coach by objective on court results is not a valid way for them to form their opinion.
 

alchemy2u

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You mentioned in an earlier post that you have a right to your opinion, which you do. So does dpod. How effective someone thinks a coach is is a subjective matter of their opinion. You clearly have a variety of reasons that make you not care about his on court performance as measured by his record. You can consider or not consider whatever justifications for his poor performance that you want, and that is a valid way for you to form your opinion. But regardless of how many times you have "tried to explain them", that doesnt mean that someone else judging a coach by objective on court results is not a valid way for them to form their opinion.
That is totally fair. There are a group of posters that just wait for negative news and pounce all over it with the same superficial criticisms. You never seem to heard from them when things are going good.


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builtbadgers

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That is totally fair. There are a group of posters that just wait for negative news and pounce all over it with the same superficial criticisms. You never seem to heard from them when things are going good.


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Who are they ? What SUPERFICIAL CLAIMS DO THEY MAKE ?
 

dpodoll68

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That is totally fair. There are a group of posters that just wait for negative news and pounce all over it with the same superficial criticisms. You never seem to heard from them when things are going good.
I have been posting here much longer than you. I have over 18,000 posts. But you're right, I only post when there's negative news. Remind me - what negative news was there recently?

And "superficial"? What is superficial about the man's win-loss record? That is literally the entire base-level purpose of his job.
 

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