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Maybe when he joined in with Bo and his mistress, that was his altar egoYou know it; I know it; the American people know it.
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Maybe when he joined in with Bo and his mistress, that was his altar egoYou know it; I know it; the American people know it.
If it makes you feel better defending Bo Ryan makes my skin crawl. However the man could flat out teach and he constantly turned chicken **** into chicken salad by getting more out of his players then they probably thought they were capable of. It's extremely rare to have that and that's why I think Gard needs better pieces chess board. Out side of his 3017 class and Trice, IAM pretty skeptical of his recruiting. Though he has an opportunity to land the Hauser's and put Badgers back in the title mix when there eligible. Maybe it was a scandal, but being a goober fan, Bo Ryan side piece is child's play compared to our scandals.
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I'll take a swing at this. I'm leaving out Hoiberg because he hasn't coached a game in the Big Ten yet. Also, my list isn't strictly based on win and losses. Some jobs are much tougher than others.
Beilein - There is not a single coach in America that gets more out of his players (Chris Beard has been awesome, but small sample size). Elite player development.
Izzo - No weaknesses as a coach. Impressive NCAA tournament and Big Ten resume.
Painter - I still can't believe Painter got this past year's team to the Elite Eight, after losing four Senior starters from the year before. Elite game planner.
(big drop off)
Holtmann - Followed up the success at Butler with surprising immediate success at Ohio State. Most figured it would take a couple years to build the program back up. Definitive player coach.
Gard - Poor man's Bo Ryan who needs to show that he can win consistently with his own players. Has done a solid job post-Ryan, but we'll have a better idea after this next season.
Turgeon - Main reason I have him here is because he is an excellent recruiter (though Maryland has a really good basketball history, so recruiting is easier than most Big Ten teams). Makes the NCAA tournament most years, but his teams usually flame out early. Opposite of Beilein: instead of doing more with less, he typically does less with more.
Collins - Northwestern is one of the toughest jobs in all of college basketball. While the last two seasons were disappointing, he should be commended for getting them to the NCAA tournament for the first time. Remember, they were a controversial call from being in the Sweet Sixteen. Solid X's and O's. Major disadvantage in recruiting. If he was at non-private power-6 program, I think he is a good enough coach to make the NCAA tournament most years. If next year is another disappointment (which is looking to be the case), I'd drop him.
McCaffery - Elite offensive-minded coach, but very poor on the defensive end. Iowa was in awful shape when he took over, but he has got them back to respectability. Has had a couple seasons of very disappointing teams compared to expectations.
Pitino - I'll slot Pitino here for now. If he makes the NCAA tournament next year, I'd put him higher than McCaffery and Collins (given that I'd drop him after next season). Seems like he is finally learning his way after struggling early. High ceiling.
Pikiell - I think Pikiell is a great defensive-minded coach who puts everything into his coaching. Rutgers is such a difficult place to win at. He has the program on the rise.
Underwood - We finally get to see what Illinois can really look like next season when he'll finally have a complete team. Could rise quickly up this list.
Miller - Yes, I'm putting Miller here. I understand he had success at Dayton, and he even got them to the Elite Eight, but his first two years have been a huge disappointment for the Hoosiers. Indiana could be looking at another non-NCAA tournament team next year. Does he survive if they don't make it in his first three years? This isn't comparable to when Crean took over and Indiana had a completely bare cupboard because of the Sampson infractions/firing.
Chambers - Another coach at another place that's hard to consistently win at. Unfortunately Penn State has the worst fanbase in the Big Ten, and probably the worst arena, which has to make recruiting tough. I think Chambers is a solid coach, but he has yet to make the NCAA tournament. If Stevens comes back next year, I think they'll hear their name called on Selection Sunday.
Well done. I know we differ on a few, but I understand why Miller would be ranked so low compared to expectations and going off his IU record alone. That fan base doesn't have much in the way for patienceI'll take a swing at this. I'm leaving out Hoiberg because he hasn't coached a game in the Big Ten yet. Also, my list isn't strictly based on win and losses. Some jobs are much tougher than others.
Beilein - There is not a single coach in America that gets more out of his players (Chris Beard has been awesome, but small sample size). Elite player development.
Izzo - No weaknesses as a coach. Impressive NCAA tournament and Big Ten resume.
Painter - I still can't believe Painter got this past year's team to the Elite Eight, after losing four Senior starters from the year before. Elite game planner.
(big drop off)
Holtmann - Followed up the success at Butler with surprising immediate success at Ohio State. Most figured it would take a couple years to build the program back up. Definitive player coach.
Gard - Poor man's Bo Ryan who needs to show that he can win consistently with his own players. Has done a solid job post-Ryan, but we'll have a better idea after this next season.
Turgeon - Main reason I have him here is because he is an excellent recruiter (though Maryland has a really good basketball history, so recruiting is easier than most Big Ten teams). Makes the NCAA tournament most years, but his teams usually flame out early. Opposite of Beilein: instead of doing more with less, he typically does less with more.
Collins - Northwestern is one of the toughest jobs in all of college basketball. While the last two seasons were disappointing, he should be commended for getting them to the NCAA tournament for the first time. Remember, they were a controversial call from being in the Sweet Sixteen. Solid X's and O's. Major disadvantage in recruiting. If he was at non-private power-6 program, I think he is a good enough coach to make the NCAA tournament most years. If next year is another disappointment (which is looking to be the case), I'd drop him.
McCaffery - Elite offensive-minded coach, but very poor on the defensive end. Iowa was in awful shape when he took over, but he has got them back to respectability. Has had a couple seasons of very disappointing teams compared to expectations.
Pitino - I'll slot Pitino here for now. If he makes the NCAA tournament next year, I'd put him higher than McCaffery and Collins. Seems like he is finally learning his way after struggling early. High ceiling.
Pikiell - I think Pikiell is a great defensive-minded coach who puts everything into his coaching. Rutgers is such a difficult place to win at. He has the program on the rise.
Underwood - We finally get to see what Illinois can really look like next season when he'll have a complete team. Could rise quickly up this list.
Miller - Yes, I'm putting Miller here. I understand he had success at Dayton, and he even got them to the Elite Eight, but his first two years have been a huge disappointment for the Hoosiers. Indiana could be looking at another non-NCAA tournament team next year. Does he survive if they don't make it in his first three years? This isn't comparable to when Crean took over and Indiana had a completely bare cupboard because of the Sampson infractions/firing.
Chambers - Another coach at another place that's hard to consistently win at. Unfortunately Penn State has the worst fanbase in the Big Ten, and probably the worst arena, which has to make recruiting tough. I think Chambers is a solid coach, but he has yet to make the NCAA tournament. If Stevens comes back next year, I think they'll hear their name called on Selection Sunday.
Are you nuts? Why all the love for Hoiberg? What has he done? He won't be able to poach all of the transfers when he was the only game in town. Also, are your rankings based upon what they have accomplished in the B1G or you feeling about their potential based upon earlier careers at much lower levels?
You had Turgeon 14th. That alone makes you pretty difficult to take seriously
Here is his history:
http://barttorvik.com/coach-history.php?coach=Mark Turgeon
Considering he is at the premium Under Armour school and in the prime recruiting area of DC (with Georgetown severely down), he simply isn't getting much done. In his tenure in the B1G, they have had either the best or second best talent in their team yearly yet haven't done squat.
My opinion is if you put a coach like Beilien/Painter/Izzo at Maryland, they either win the league or are #2 every year.
Here is his history:
http://barttorvik.com/coach-history.php?coach=Mark Turgeon
Considering he is at the premium Under Armour school and in the prime recruiting area of DC (with Georgetown severely down), he simply isn't getting much done. In his tenure in the B1G, they have had either the best or second best talent in their team yearly yet haven't done squat.
My opinion is if you put a coach like Beilien/Painter/Izzo at Maryland, they either win the league or are #2 every year.
Small sample size but our contacts with Maryland people sitting near us at BTT said the fan base is getting frustrated with Turgeon. High talent level that peters out consistently at season's end. In my eye test, I see really good players that appear to underachieve.
Guess I need to update this, everyone moves up one, except Izzo who is the top dog. Gotta put Howard at the bottom until I have something to go off of. The canvas doesn't get any fresher
Izzo
Painter
Holtmann
Hoiberg
Miller
Turgeon
Fran
Gard
Pitino
Underwood
Collins
Chambers
Pikiell
Howard
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Ranking the guy who averages a 4th place finish as the 14th best out of 14 is ridiculous. It's fine if you want to put him at 7th or 8th, but come on. It's also fine to knock him a bit for performing below the talent expectation of his roster, but you have to remember that a college coach is a coach and GM -- so he's also responsible (aka deserves the credit) for bringing in those talented players.
Having Holtzman, Hoiberg, Miller. Fran, and Turgeon ahead of Gard is bordering on ignorance. When you let your bias and hatred of Wisconsin dictate your pecking order, it makes your list seem ridiculous and should not be taken serious.
This is comic gold. I don't think Gard is a bad coach, I have him ahead of Pitino. Fran is ahead of him because of the gong show he inherited in Iowa, but it's close. Hoiberg built Iowa State into a top 15 program from mediocrity. Turgeon, while I think he has underachieved is a good Recruiter, did a great job of transitioning his program from a mediocre ACC team to a regular top four big ten program a few years back and quite frankly Maryland always seems to finish around where Wisconsin does Gard has done a fine job, but part of being a college coach is roster management and getting talent. No objective fan would say your roster is in a better spot than it was when Bo left. You guys are ****ed if Reuvers or Trice gets injured. You have a nice but not elite top five. If I had to pick it today you guys would be on the right side of the bubble which is good for seventh or eighth in the league, which is where I have your coach ranked. Take off the red and white gogglesHaving Holtzman, Hoiberg, Miller. Fran, and Turgeon ahead of Gard is bordering on ignorance. When you let your bias and hatred of Wisconsin dictate your pecking order, it makes your list seem ridiculous and should not be taken serious.
We all know Pitino the best interview in the league, maybe in the country. Has away of being honest without tossing anyone under the bus, with that great east coast sarcasm
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This is comic gold. I don't think Gard is a bad coach, I have him ahead of Pitino. Fran is ahead of him because of the gong show he inherited in Iowa, but it's close. Hoiberg built Iowa State into a top 15 program from mediocrity. Turgeon, while I think he has underachieved is a good Recruiter, did a great job of transitioning his program from a mediocre ACC team to a regular top four big ten program a few years back and quite frankly Maryland always seems to finish around where Wisconsin does Gard has done a fine job, but part of being a college coach is roster management and getting talent. No objective fan would say your roster is in a better spot than it was when Bo left. You guys are ****ed if Reuvers or Trice gets injured. You have a nice but not elite top five. If I had to pick it today you guys would be on the right side of the bubble which is good for seventh or eighth in the league, which is where I have your coach ranked. Take off the red and white goggles
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The butthurt is strong with you, way to take a month to respond to that. Sorry my honest assessment of Greg Gard got to you.We all know that ? The national media does not look at him that way at all. Whenever i see him and listen all that comes to my mind is pee wee herman. No charisma, not dynamic, not a looker for the ladies. He is a tiny bit funny. That is how i see it. None of it will bother me if he can win conference titles !
They were when he was there, I know he didn't do it the Dick Bennett way so you won't respect it, but they absolutely were under HoibergYou think Hoiberg built a top 15 program at Iowa State ?
The butthurt is strong with you, way to take a month to respond to that. Sorry my honest assessment of Greg Gard got to you.
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They were when he was there, I know he didn't do it the Dick Bennett way so you won't respect it, but they absolutely were under Hoiberg
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We all know that ? The national media does not look at him that way at all. Whenever i see him and listen all that comes to my mind is pee wee herman. No charisma, not dynamic, not a looker for the ladies. He is a tiny bit funny. That is how i see it. None of it will bother me if he can win conference titles !
Come on built? You have to admit that Pitino is more straightforward and honest in his interviews than most bb coaches. Also, Richard doesn’t quite have a national reputation for his interviews, because he hasn’t had that many yet. Most of the sports reports that have had the chance to get to know him, like his style.
OK, as for look alikes, didn’t Bo Ryan look like the green Grinch?
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The butthurt is strong with you, way to take a month to respond to that. Sorry my honest assessment of Greg Gard got to you.
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The butthurt is strong with you, way to take a month to respond to that. Sorry my honest assessment of Greg Gard got to you.
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