All Things Impeachment Inquiry

bga1

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Two Republican Governors (Vermont, Massachusetts) and now one Republican in the House announce support for the impeachment inquiry.

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Trump's poll numbers are rising in polls taken since this latest coup attempt started. It could be that the American people are sick and tired of you. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
 

Cruze

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The Trump-Ukraine scandal just got its Watergate-tapes moment

The anonymous whistleblower complaint about Donald Trump’s request that the president of Ukraine investigate Joe Biden’s son contains a number of stunning charges. One of them is the allegation that White House officials moved what the whistleblower describes as the “official word-for-word transcript” of Trump and the Ukrainian president’s call to a “separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature” — even though a White House official said the call contained no sensitive national security information.

It gets worse: “This was ‘not the first time’ under this Administration that a Presidential transcript was placed into this codeword-level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive — rather than national security sensitive — information".

Reporters and analysts who’ve been covering Trump’s foreign entanglements for years immediately latched on to this as a key allegation in the complaint. “This just got much bigger,” Greg Miller at the Washington Post declared. “This to me is most significant and what carries the news cycle for many days to come — what ELSE has the WH inappropriately put on a classified system?” NPR’s Tim Mak added.

One reason the alleged transcript vault feels like such a profound revelation is that it’s an echo of one of the biggest moments in the Watergate investigation. A key turning point came in July 1973 when Alexander Butterfield, a former aide in the Nixon White House, told investigators and then Congress that the president had a recording system in all his White House offices that taped his conversations.

Read complete article at: https://www.vox.com/2019/9/26/20885149/trump-transcript-ukraine-watergate-tapes
 

LesBolstad

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The Trump-Ukraine scandal just got its Watergate-tapes moment

The anonymous whistleblower complaint about Donald Trump’s request that the president of Ukraine investigate Joe Biden’s son contains a number of stunning charges. One of them is the allegation that White House officials moved what the whistleblower describes as the “official word-for-word transcript” of Trump and the Ukrainian president’s call to a “separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature” — even though a White House official said the call contained no sensitive national security information.

It gets worse: “This was ‘not the first time’ under this Administration that a Presidential transcript was placed into this codeword-level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive — rather than national security sensitive — information".

Reporters and analysts who’ve been covering Trump’s foreign entanglements for years immediately latched on to this as a key allegation in the complaint. “This just got much bigger,” Greg Miller at the Washington Post declared. “This to me is most significant and what carries the news cycle for many days to come — what ELSE has the WH inappropriately put on a classified system?” NPR’s Tim Mak added.

One reason the alleged transcript vault feels like such a profound revelation is that it’s an echo of one of the biggest moments in the Watergate investigation. A key turning point came in July 1973 when Alexander Butterfield, a former aide in the Nixon White House, told investigators and then Congress that the president had a recording system in all his White House offices that taped his conversations.

Read complete article at: https://www.vox.com/2019/9/26/20885149/trump-transcript-ukraine-watergate-tapes
Haha. Yep, this is it! This is the smoking gun we've been praying to Lord Government for. Trump will assuredly be impeached now!

Enjoy 5 more years of #MAGA!
 

KillerGopherFan

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What a joke.

If it were the ONLY call transcript between Trump and a foreign leader placed in a higher security location, it would be a scandal.

If there are more call transcripts between Trump and foreign leaders placed in a higher security location, it’s a scandal.

Even though 3 previous PRIVATE calls between Trump and foreign leaders have leaked to the public.

We get it. Anything Trump does is a scandal to you and yours.
 

MnplsGopher

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Bingo.

Seems to be a recurring theme with this outfit: it's never really the thing, it's the fact that they try to cover it up.

http://www.startribune.com/house-democrats-subpoena-secretary-of-state-pompeo-as-inquiry-escalates/561584672/

The White House concealed some reconstructed transcripts of delicate calls between President Donald Trump and foreign officials, including President Vladimir Putin and the Saudi royal family, in a highly classified computer system after embarrassing leaks of his conversations, according to current and former officials.

The handling of Trump’s calls with world leaders has come under scrutiny after questions over whether a transcript of a July 25 call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine was improperly placed into this computer system.

The latest revelations show the focus that White House officials put on safeguarding not only classified information but also delicate calls with Trump, the details of which the administration did not want leaked.

A whistleblower complaint accuses officials of trying to “lock down” access to information about the conversation with Zelensky by improperly storing the reconstructed transcript of the July 25 call in the highly classified system after the call took place.

In the case of the calls with the Saudi royal family, the restrictions were set beforehand, and the number of people allowed to listen was sharply restricted. The Saudi calls placed in the restricted system were with King Salman, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Prince Khalid bin Salman, who at the time was the Saudi ambassador to the United States.

I truly don't care in the slightest that it is a pivot from the original idea (the Ukraine call, specifically). Pivot away.

Still going to be tough to get the Senate to act, but if pivoting to illegal misuse of security computer systems does the trick, then do it.
 

MnplsGopher

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http://www.startribune.com/pelosi-concerned-about-trump-s-whistleblower-spy-comments/561521922/

House Democrats took their first concrete steps in the impeachment investigation of President Donald Trump on Friday, issuing subpoenas demanding documents from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and scheduling legal depositions for other State Department officials.

At the end of a stormy week of revelation and recrimination, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi framed the impeachment inquiry as a somber moment for a divided nation.

"This is no cause for any joy," she said on MSNBC.

At the White House, a senior administration official confirmed a key detail from the unidentified CIA whistleblower who has accused Trump of abusing the power of his office. Trump, for his part, insisted anew that his actions and words have been "perfect" and the whistleblower's complaint might well be the work of "a partisan operative."

The White House acknowledged that a record of the Trump phone call that is now at the center of the impeachment inquiry had been sealed away in a highly classified system at the direction of Trump's National Security Council lawyers.

Separately, Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway told reporters that the whistleblower "has protection under the law," something Trump himself had appeared to question earlier in the day. He suggested then that his accuser "isn't a whistleblower at all."

Still at issue is why the rough transcript of Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukraine's president was put on "lock down," in the words of the whistleblower. The CIA officer said that diverting the record in an unusual way was evidence that "White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired" in the conversation.
 

MnplsGopher

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http://www.startribune.com/trump-told-russian-officials-in-2017-he-wasn-t-concerned-about-moscow-s-interference-in-u-s-election/561579622/

President Donald Trump told two senior Russian officials in a 2017 Oval Office meeting that he was unconcerned about Moscow’s interference in the U.S. election because the United States did the same in other countries, an assertion that prompted alarmed White House officials to limit access to the remarks to an unusually small number of people, according to three former officials with knowledge of the matter.

The comments, which have not been previously reported, were part of a now-infamous meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, in which Trump revealed highly classified information that exposed a source of intelligence on the Islamic State. He also said during the meeting that firing FBI Director James Comey the previous day had relieved “great pressure” on him.

A memorandum summarizing the meeting was limited to all but a few officials with the highest security clearances in an attempt to keep the president’s comments from being disclosed publicly, according to the former officials, who requested anonymity to discuss sensitive matters.
 

Dean S

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Training a new generation of CIA operatives...: how to topple a dictator 101 -- practice domestically!
 

bga1

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The Trump-Ukraine scandal just got its Watergate-tapes moment

The anonymous whistleblower complaint about Donald Trump’s request that the president of Ukraine investigate Joe Biden’s son contains a number of stunning charges. One of them is the allegation that White House officials moved what the whistleblower describes as the “official word-for-word transcript” of Trump and the Ukrainian president’s call to a “separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature” — even though a White House official said the call contained no sensitive national security information.

It gets worse: “This was ‘not the first time’ under this Administration that a Presidential transcript was placed into this codeword-level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive — rather than national security sensitive — information".

Reporters and analysts who’ve been covering Trump’s foreign entanglements for years immediately latched on to this as a key allegation in the complaint. “This just got much bigger,” Greg Miller at the Washington Post declared. “This to me is most significant and what carries the news cycle for many days to come — what ELSE has the WH inappropriately put on a classified system?” NPR’s Tim Mak added.

One reason the alleged transcript vault feels like such a profound revelation is that it’s an echo of one of the biggest moments in the Watergate investigation. A key turning point came in July 1973 when Alexander Butterfield, a former aide in the Nixon White House, told investigators and then Congress that the president had a recording system in all his White House offices that taped his conversations.

Read complete article at: https://www.vox.com/2019/9/26/20885149/trump-transcript-ukraine-watergate-tapes
Oops. Looks like Obama also did this same thing as Susan Rice admits:https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/28/susan-rice-obama-put-call-transcripts-on-top-secret-server-too/
 

bga1

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Dem. Governor Cuomo says impeachment is a mistake- long road to nowhere.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/andrew-cuomo-leftist-dems-pelosi-impeachment

"They're doing their quote unquote inquiry. I think the Ukraine issue raises a lot of questions and I think it is for an investigative committee, it is fodder they can spend months, one witness after another, one witness after another, on all sort of different tracks,” Cuomo said. “Where does it go ultimately? Nowhere, because even if they vote for impeachment, it goes to the Senate and it wouldn't happen in the Senate.”

"So my guess is that this continues and blends into the presidential campaign. The problem with that is that nothing else is going to get done between now and then," he said.




That's it in a nutshell, the country be damned, the Dems want to get Trump any way they can.
 

Cruze

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You youngsters who weren't around for the Watergate hearings are in for a treat. It was the most interesting and informative TV in history. Everyone in the world got to see an Amrican president self-destruct before their eyes. When the end came Nixon was weeping in the White House like a little girl. He lived the rest of his life in utter disgrace. Only Nixon's family, hardcore supporters, biographers, and others who wanted to make a buck off him were still there for him when he died.

I think it would be a good idea if GopherHole tracks the public opinion polls as the impeachment hearings move forward. Lets start with an article in the New York Post which hasn't published anything negative about the Trumpster maybe ever:


Number of Americans supporting Trump impeachment is growing: poll

The number of Americans who now support impeaching President Trump is growing, according to a poll released this week.

A new poll from NPR-PBS NewsHour-Marist found that 49 percent of Americans now approve of impeachment, with 46 percent saying they disapproved. The numbers show a 10-point jump in favor of impeachment from April, The Hill reported.

Other surveys from Politico-Morning Consult and Harvard CAPS-Harris also showed public support for impeachment rising.

“The public has serious concern over the Trump actions,” longtime pollster Mark Penn told the paper. “These are generally higher numbers than during the Mueller investigation and most consider his actions inappropriate, even if not impeachable.”

The newest demands for impeachment stem from a phone call between Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky in which Trump appeared to ask Zelensky to investigate former vice president Joe Biden’s son.

https://nypost.com/2019/09/28/number-of-americans-supporting-trump-impeachment-is-growing-poll/



Then there is this artice from The Hill, a non-partisan website that covers national politics:


Support for Trump impeachment rises 12 points in new poll

A new Hill-HarrisX survey on Friday found support for impeachment proceedings against President Trump has risen 12 points compared to a similar poll conducted three months ago.

The survey was conducted on Sept. 26-27, just days after House Democrats started a formal impeachment inquiry over a whistleblower complaint involving Trump’s communications with Ukraine.

Support for impeachment grew among Democratic, Republican and independent voters alike.

Democratic support jumped from 59 percent to 78 percent, a 19-point increase.

The number of Republicans backing impeachment jumped 5 points to 18 percent.

The number of independents who back impeachment doubled to 41 percent.






https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/463408-support-for-impeachment-rises-12-points-in-new-poll
 
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MnplsGopher

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It would be one thing if Trump had worked hard at reaching out to Dems and worked at trying to pass real actual compromises. Reps get something, Dems get something.

That would’ve actually have been something outside the establishment, as people who voted for him claimed they wanted.

Instead, he has chosen to be he most divisive POTUS in the history of our nation, and hire people to pursue an agenda of appealing to 35% of our country.

That is why he needs to go, and if it happens, I will be very happy.
 

bga1

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Let’s impeach Trump and Obama, then. Works for me.
Executive privilege. There is nothing wrong with securing conversations. The conversations are not deleted, like Hillary's emails they are just retained securely. Trump has done nothing impeachable. Obama will be shamed before all is said and done. He was the most corrupt President in history.
 

KillerGopherFan

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It would be one thing if Trump had worked hard at reaching out to Dems and worked at trying to pass real actual compromises. Reps get something, Dems get something.

That would’ve actually have been something outside the establishment, as people who voted for him claimed they wanted.

Instead, he has chosen to be he most divisive POTUS in the history of our nation, and hire people to pursue an agenda of appealing to 35% of our country.

That is why he needs to go, and if it happens, I will be very happy.
Sure. Dems are attempting to impeach Trump since the day he stepped into the WH and it’s all Trump’s fault.

How old are you? Do you remember the Geo. W Bush administration? The Dems hated him too and treated him like crap. The difference is Trump is a fighter. W was soft.
 

Bad Gopher

A Loner, A Rebel
I can see a negotiated resignation in exchange for immunity. Federal government could put pressure on the states to not prosecute for past crimes. Future crimes prosecutable.
 
It would be one thing if Trump had worked hard at reaching out to Dems and worked at trying to pass real actual compromises. Reps get something, Dems get something.

That would’ve actually have been something outside the establishment, as people who voted for him claimed they wanted.

Instead, he has chosen to be he most divisive POTUS in the history of our nation, and hire people to pursue an agenda of appealing to 35% of our country.

That is why he needs to go, and if it happens, I will be very happy.
Impeachment means nothing, intact it'll help Trump long-term and Pelisi knows it, which is why she's hoping to use the inquiry to stall but put up the front to the far left of taking action. The Conviction hearing will be a five minute farce at the same level as the fried chicken hearing.

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