2019-2020 Minnesota Twins Off-Season Thread

bottlebass

Main Member
One thing on Pineda, I think he will be dirt cheap and they should re-sign him but I'm concerned about substance use. Someone was telling me (and I haven't confirmed this because I don't care that much) that he tested positive for the HCTZ a long time before he was actually suspended and that the players are first notified of the positive test before the league? This someone's theory was that once he was notified he tested positive he was using other performance enhancing substances during the stretch from when he was notified to when he was suspended, which also just happened to be his best stretch of pitching.

Now maybe he was using HCTZ to lose weight as he claimed, but it can also be used to help flush your system and cover up the use of other substances. The twins need to seriously find out if that is the case before they sign him again.
 

JimmyJamesMD

Active member
Preaching to the choir. Should be able to afford Cole too but highly doubt they spend that money. Hope to God I'm wrong.
Its always risky business giving that much money to a P. Twins cant call is a sunk cost like the yankees could if a pitcher goes down
 

bottlebass

Main Member
Its always risky business giving that much money to a P. Twins cant call is a sunk cost like the yankees could if a pitcher goes down
Yes they can, the Pohlads have more than enough money. Twins fans have been duped for too long while the pohlads just collect royally on mediocre or historically bad seasons. Twins fans need to revolt if they don't spend in the off season.
 

Bad Gopher

A Loner, A Rebel
Pardon if someone's already posted this, but the front office is on record saying they're going after impact pitching in the off season. It's exciting to hear that. It's a far cry from the Terry Ryan tenure, when a disappointing playoff thumping would be followed by months of him biding his time while fan unrest blew over and blind optimism returned with the robins.

I could go on and on about the pending off season--and I eventually will--but I do want to return to a point that was discussed in the in-season thread: where do you get top-line starting pitchers? Using the World Series champion teams as a template...

1987
Frank Viola: homegrown
Bert Blyleven: trade (and yes, I know he was originally home grown)

1991
Scott Erickson: homegrown
Jack Morris: free agent
Kevin Tapani: trade

I think this explains itself and mirrors the question of where you get ANY of your players: a variety of sources. Berrios is the homegrown piece along with Graterol, provided he can add/refine the third pitch he'll need to be an effective starter. Pineda is a free agent piece (although it's not certain he'll return). Odorizzi is a trade product. So they already have a serviceable rotation with that variety of origin. Graterol has a huge ceiling as a starter, so he's a potential ace or #2. If you can add a #1 through free agency or trade, you have a potential 1/2 punch that can compete with anyone, besides a supporting rotation cast that are pretty darn good. If you can add two star starters, look out; that's a team that should be considered a legit championship contender.
 

howeda7

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One thing on Pineda, I think he will be dirt cheap and they should re-sign him but I'm concerned about substance use. Someone was telling me (and I haven't confirmed this because I don't care that much) that he tested positive for the HCTZ a long time before he was actually suspended and that the players are first notified of the positive test before the league? This someone's theory was that once he was notified he tested positive he was using other performance enhancing substances during the stretch from when he was notified to when he was suspended, which also just happened to be his best stretch of pitching.

Now maybe he was using HCTZ to lose weight as he claimed, but it can also be used to help flush your system and cover up the use of other substances. The twins need to seriously find out if that is the case before they sign him again.
The fact that MLB reduced his suspension, which they rarely do, tells me he had something to support his claim that it was inadvertent.
 

howeda7

Active member
Its always risky business giving that much money to a P. Twins cant call is a sunk cost like the yankees could if a pitcher goes down
They can't afford multiple bad contracts, no. One won't kill them. The years are a bigger issue than the $. If they have to go beyond 6 it's almost certain to end badly. If they trade for Syndergaard and sign Mad Baum for 2-3 years that might be safer and net a similar result for 2020.
 

tmvander

Member
They can't afford multiple bad contracts, no. One won't kill them. The years are a bigger issue than the $. If they have to go beyond 6 it's almost certain to end badly. If they trade for Syndergaard and sign Mad Baum for 2-3 years that might be safer and net a similar result for 2020.
I like Mad Bum but he's an NL guy who loves to hit too. I don't think he'll make the jump to the AL. He is an outdoors type of guy though so I wouldn't expect him to sign somewhere like LA, Chicago, Washington, etc.
 

Bad Gopher

A Loner, A Rebel
One last thing about starting pitching. The Twins have the off season to get Jose Berrios straightened out, specifically 1) his perrennial late-season fatigue and 2) his mechanical problems. When we see Houston and other teams work wonders with reclamation projects and want the Twins to be able to accomplish similar things, you have to be able to start with your current players and reclaim them. The new coaching staff did a great job improving guys' mechanics and velocity, but Berrios continues to be an enigma on a few different levels.
 

howeda7

Active member
I like Mad Bum but he's an NL guy who loves to hit too. I don't think he'll make the jump to the AL. He is an outdoors type of guy though so I wouldn't expect him to sign somewhere like LA, Chicago, Washington, etc.
Has any pitcher ever declined to sign with an AL team because he wouldn't be able to hit? Hell if it's a deal-breaker, I'd tell him he can DH once a month.
 
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I think Howie is on track.

So far, Falvine have shown a significant reluctance to sign pitchers to long-term deals. It's one thing to sign a younger player like Kepler to a 5-year deal.

But, signing a pitcher to a long-term deal can come back and bite you in the butt in a hurry.

I just do not expect the Twins to hand out one of these 7-year, $200-million deals. Not going to happen.

My gut says they will try to find a younger pitcher with the potential to become a #1 or #2 starter and try to trade for them - ideally while that player is still under team control for a couple of years.

As far as the position players, no long-term deals to anyone over 30. In a couple of years, guys like Schoop, Cron, etc will be gone and the Lewis, Kiriloff, Larnach and Rooker era will be underway.
 

golfing18now

Active member
Keith Law had the following note about Royce Lewis/other prospects in the AFL and instructional league. Have the Twins decided to move Lewis permanently? Or just trying to add position flexibility for him given Polanco's status at the big league club. Maybe I missed this completely...

"Twins outfielder Royce Lewis still has that huge leg kick and hitch that I think will continue to cause him problems at the plate. He did homer in the Fall Stars Game, ambushing a first-pitch fastball right down the middle after the previous hitter had walked on four straight pitches. The first overall pick in 2017 had a .290 OBP across two levels this year for the Twins. The move to the outfield seems to have gone well so far, at least."
 

JimmyJamesMD

Active member
Keith Law had the following note about Royce Lewis/other prospects in the AFL and instructional league. Have the Twins decided to move Lewis permanently? Or just trying to add position flexibility for him given Polanco's status at the big league club. Maybe I missed this completely...

"Twins outfielder Royce Lewis still has that huge leg kick and hitch that I think will continue to cause him problems at the plate. He did homer in the Fall Stars Game, ambushing a first-pitch fastball right down the middle after the previous hitter had walked on four straight pitches. The first overall pick in 2017 had a .290 OBP across two levels this year for the Twins. The move to the outfield seems to have gone well so far, at least."
That OBP sucks
 

JimmyJamesMD

Active member
Anyone else getting satisfaction out of Yankees losing? I am

They are buckling under pressure. Makes me think of how the Twins played like they had everything to lose, but really had nothing to lose. Cant play scared or you will make mistakes
 

BleedGopher

Administrator
Shooter: Charley Walters: Could Twins make deal to get Gerrit Cole?

Could the Minnesota Twins, whose offseason priority is starting pitching, sign baseball’s best starter, free agent Gerrit Cole, this winter?

Look for the Twins, who have three free-agent starters, to at least make an offer to Cole, the Houston Astros’ right-hander who has won 23 of his past 24 decisions. But it would take a record signing for the club.

The free-agent market for Cole, 29, is estimated at about $230 million over seven years. The Twins aren’t going to do that. But there’s been buzz that $100 million for two years might be worth a try.

Cole, who never has had a serious arm injury, isn’t likely to turn down a guaranteed $230 million contract. But $50 million a year, even for two years, isn’t a bad deal.

Expected suitors for Cole include the Astros, who figure they have the next three years to seriously contend for a World Series championship. But the Astros already are committed to $66 million through 2021 to Justin Verlander, who is 36, and $64 million to Zack Greinke, who is 35.

The Rangers, Angels, Dodgers, Yankees and Phillies also are expected to enter the Cole sweepstakes.

https://www.twincities.com/2019/10/19/charley-walters-could-twins-make-deal-to-get-gerrit-cole/

Win Twins!!
 

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