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    The OP asked for people's opinions. I gave my opinion.

    An opinion is just that - an opinion. It's my perspective. You don't have to like it or agree with it.

    But telling me I need to change? Sorry, not going to happen.

    I am me. You are you. different people, different opinions.

    There is more than one way to be a fan, or follow a football team. You cannot force other people to think what you think, or believe what you believe.

    No matter how "right" you think you are, there is always going to be someone who disagrees with you. Learn to live with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoofin View Post
    Yes, I find it offensive when someone deliberately and repeatedly is dishonest with the sole intent of creating a perception that is based on falsehoods. Other’s “don’t care”, think it is “minor” or “coach speak”, or accept it if we win. We have been over this many times.


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    Not sure what is offensive and repeatedly dishonest? Are you referring to PJ or other posters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    The OP asked for people's opinions. I gave my opinion.

    An opinion is just that - an opinion. It's my perspective. You don't have to like it or agree with it.

    But telling me I need to change? Sorry, not going to happen.

    I am me. You are you. different people, different opinions.

    There is more than one way to be a fan, or follow a football team. You cannot force other people to think what you think, or believe what you believe.

    No matter how "right" you think you are, there is always going to be someone who disagrees with you. Learn to live with that.
    I get what you're saying in that you can't force others to think what you think etc. However don't you think that sometimes things will grow on you, or will come around? Realize that it takes time sometimes. However we all change over the years whether or not we think we do. I do believe people have come around with Fleck if only they are willing to admit is another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoofin View Post
    I stated clearly in my post what offends me at times. I never mentioned a positive culture in my post once. So, are you trolling or just not very good at reading?


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    Yeah, his positive spin. I read it clearly. All part of his positive culture. I don’t think you have to like him at all.
    If you’re offended by PJ Fleck, grow a pair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    Yeah, his positive spin. I read it clearly. All part of his positive culture. I don’t think you have to like him at all.
    If you’re offended by PJ Fleck, grow a pair.


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    So not trolling, just bad at reading. OK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thymanst View Post
    When college football show announcers (Dave wandstant,etc)yesterday on Fox all we’re talking about rowing the boat the purpose was clear, it is a type of branding that makes the u stand out from everyone else.
    This is exactly what I was thinking. Minnesota has ZERO brand recognition and ZERO tradition in the world of college football. Love it or hate it, PJ has given Minnesota instant brand recognition, the winning is putting it in the forefront. Most transitions on national shows to Minnesota football goes right to the RTB and Ski U Mah (Fleck has brought Ski U Mah into the living rooms of college football fans everywhere) which we never had before.

    I have learned to live with it, it is what it is! Relevance comes with a price for Minnesota football.

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    It becomes a question of whether the things fans hate are criteria to become successful.


    Not liking the promotion of program / self promotion to gain media attention to better promote for recruiting
    Not liking the educational tools / slogans / teaching material to make players better, build a social bond, and play disciplined
    Not liking the off the field "spiritual" or "social" aspects which provide the players focus of football within their lives and provide balance to keep out of trouble
    Not liking unusual uniform decals / colors that remind the players to keep playing hard despite obstacles.
    Not liking his promotion of the team GPA because he's building players for careers on or off the field.

    People have not liked a lot of the "tools" PJ is using, but each one is almost an essential requirement to run PJ's program the way he does.

    Essentially, people want to enjoy the results without the tools to get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    The OP asked for people's opinions. I gave my opinion.

    An opinion is just that - an opinion. It's my perspective. You don't have to like it or agree with it.

    But telling me I need to change? Sorry, not going to happen.

    I am me. You are you. different people, different opinions.

    There is more than one way to be a fan, or follow a football team. You cannot force other people to think what you think, or believe what you believe.

    No matter how "right" you think you are, there is always going to be someone who disagrees with you. Learn to live with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonTXGopher View Post
    This is exactly what I was thinking. Minnesota has ZERO brand recognition and ZERO tradition in the world of college football. Love it or hate it, PJ has given Minnesota instant brand recognition, the winning is putting it in the forefront. Most transitions on national shows to Minnesota football goes right to the RTB and Ski U Mah (Fleck has brought Ski U Mah into the living rooms of college football fans everywhere) which we never had before.

    I have learned to live with it, it is what it is! Relevance comes with a price for Minnesota football.
    It all depends on whether the media types who mention "row the boat" are doing it respectfully or mockingly. One or two media types have actually put it into context and given the background with the death of Fleck's child. But, I suspect that most of the mentions are being done more tongue-in-cheek or as an excuse for jokes and headlines.

    I realize a program that is trying to gain respect or prominence in the college football landscape may have to promote itself more actively. but in the end, good programs are know for winning. the consistent top-20 programs generally don't have catch phrases or slogans. people respect them because they win.

    When people talk about Gopher football, I would prefer that their first association with "Gopher Football" is "boy, they're good." Not row the boat or any other slogan.

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    I have a question for the poster(s) who has (have) a problem with Coach Fleck's jargon, slogans, etc....

    Would you please name a modern football coach you like and/or admire, and describe what it is you like about him?

    I ask because I have been under the impression that most coaches use slogans and jargon for communicating and motivating. Some go for the 'military metaphor'; some use stuff like "This is OUR house!". Some love the "It's us against the rest of the world!" device.

    Vince Lombardi was famous for "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing." It isn't difficult to think of many hackneyed coaching cliches: "There is no "I" in team" comes to mind. This sort of thing is generic Coaching 101, I would think.

    It all seems kind of the same to me; no specific one jumps out at me as offensive or wrong.

    I wonder if all coaches bother or offend the anti-Fleck people in the same way? I'm curious as to why anyone would find Fleck's use of these types of communication tools particularly offensive. It seems pretty benign to me, not to mention positive — and, apparently, effective.

    I also find it curious that people sometimes describe Fleck, or his 'enthusiasm' or his 'energy', as somehow dishonest or insincere. I really don't see that at all. What specifically seems dishonest to you guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    It all depends on whether the media types who mention "row the boat" are doing it respectfully or mockingly. One or two media types have actually put it into context and given the background with the death of Fleck's child. But, I suspect that most of the mentions are being done more tongue-in-cheek or as an excuse for jokes and headlines.

    I realize a program that is trying to gain respect or prominence in the college football landscape may have to promote itself more actively. but in the end, good programs are know for winning. the consistent top-20 programs generally don't have catch phrases or slogans. people respect them because they win.

    When people talk about Gopher football, I would prefer that their first association with "Gopher Football" is "boy, they're good." Not row the boat or any other slogan.
    Wouldn't that be something! Slogans and mottos are a part of college football. My guess is that your biggest issue is that we have added RTB and such to the uniforms at times, etc.... Reminds me of "Brick by Brick"

    Anyway.....

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...otball-slogans

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonTXGopher View Post
    Love it or hate it, PJ has given Minnesota instant brand recognition, the winning is putting it in the forefront.
    The Row the Boat brand is why Rashod Bateman knew who P.J. Fleck was. He wanted to play for Fleck, and I hope that more talented young men are attracted to the brand take their talents north.

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    (sarcasm alert) I can just imagine hearing someone in the future saying, "Yeah, I know he has won a couple Rose Bowls and a national championship, but I can't stand it that he still does that end of the quarter sprint. That is such an embarrassing self promotion!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RememberMurray View Post
    I have a question for the poster(s) who has (have) a problem with Coach Fleck's jargon, slogans, etc....

    Would you please name a modern football coach you like and/or admire, and describe what it is you like about him?

    I ask because I have been under the impression that most coaches use slogans and jargon for communicating and motivating. Some go for the 'military metaphor'; some use stuff like "This is OUR house!". Some love the "It's us against the rest of the world!" device.

    Vince Lombardi was famous for "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing." It isn't difficult to think of many hackneyed coaching cliches: "There is no "I" in team" comes to mind. This sort of thing is generic Coaching 101, I would think.

    It all seems kind of the same to me; no specific one jumps out at me as offensive or wrong.

    I wonder if all coaches bother or offend the anti-Fleck people in the same way? I'm curious as to why anyone would find Fleck's use of these types of communication tools particularly offensive. It seems pretty benign to me, not to mention positive — and, apparently, effective.

    I also find it curious that people sometimes describe Fleck, or his 'enthusiasm' or his 'energy', as somehow dishonest or insincere. I really don't see that at all. What specifically seems dishonest to you guys?
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