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    Quote Originally Posted by highwayman View Post
    Minnesotans don’t like showy. They also don’t like people who talk fast. They also don’t like to hear your opinion, unless it’s exactly the same as theirs. They also don’t like catch phrases, unless it’s “Skol Vikings,” “Win Twins,” “Let’s go Wild,” or “Hey, borrow me that hotdish”.

    They apparently don’t like winners, either. That’s just too braggy.

    I’ll take him as is.
    Wow, self hate.


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    I sincerely hope this thread ages well.

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    I hate adding a coaches personal slogans to the uniforms. I barely even notice them but it's a matter of principle.

    Any other uniform changes, I don't care about.

    I personally find some of his mannerisms a tad annoying, but I don't care either. I thought Jerry Kill's "aww shucks" stuff was annoying and Tracy Claeys was boring. I don't really care about that stuff either.

    Part of this conversation is an inability to separate the sound from the noise. Most of the people on here who have been labeled Fleck "skeptics", like Fleck as our coach and always have. They don't like certain things (the way the admin described the hiring and stuff on the uniforms), but it'd be hard to find many people who weren't excited about him as a coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highwayman View Post
    Minnesotans don’t like showy. They also don’t like people who talk fast. They also don’t like to hear your opinion, unless it’s exactly the same as theirs. They also don’t like catch phrases, unless it’s “Skol Vikings,” “Win Twins,” “Let’s go Wild,” or “Hey, borrow me that hotdish”.

    They apparently don’t like winners, either. That’s just too braggy.

    I’ll take him as is.
    That's so cool.

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    I guess the question is, does Fleck need the slogans, the catch phrases, the repetition to coach?

    I just don't see any of that as "coaching." to me, coaching is X's and O's - teaching the players how to execute the offensive and defensive game plan. Yes, there is a motivational aspect, but it involves motivating the players - not the public.

    I don't care what Fleck says to the players at practice or in the locker room, because I don't have to listen to it. I don't care what he says to recruits in their home or his office, because I don't have to listen to it. But, as a follower of the Gophers, it's hard to avoid listening to the head coach.

    bottom line, if the team wins, I'll grit my teeth and live with it. But I just don't ever foresee a day when I'm happy with it. It grates on me like fingernails on a blackboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthadad2 View Post
    It was worth it the second he stepped to the podium and gave his opening speech. I wanted to put a helmet on and do some hittin' at that moment...and I'm no spring chicken.
    You're a skeptic?

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    I like PJF and think he is a great recruiter. I don't care for all the slogans but will happily get over it to have a winning FB program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    I guess the question is, does Fleck need the slogans, the catch phrases, the repetition to coach?

    I just don't see any of that as "coaching." to me, coaching is X's and O's - teaching the players how to execute the offensive and defensive game plan. Yes, there is a motivational aspect, but it involves motivating the players - not the public.

    I don't care what Fleck says to the players at practice or in the locker room, because I don't have to listen to it. I don't care what he says to recruits in their home or his office, because I don't have to listen to it. But, as a follower of the Gophers, it's hard to avoid listening to the head coach.

    bottom line, if the team wins, I'll grit my teeth and live with it. But I just don't ever foresee a day when I'm happy with it. It grates on me like fingernails on a blackboard.
    SON. Seriously, you need to really try to get over it. It works. I once thought, "Oh, god, its Jim Wacker on dope." I actually enjoy it now. The way he whips up the naysayers is just as effective as how Bud Grant did the same. They virtually used the same methodology, different directions on the circle. I seriously think this is no schtick. Its Tony Robbins, its Norman Vincent Peale, its Stephen Covey. It works.
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    He's looking better and better. I hope he stays at least ten years. 6-0 is much better than I expected - I thought we'd lose to Fresno, maybe Purdue, probably Nebraska.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    I guess the question is, does Fleck need the slogans, the catch phrases, the repetition to coach?

    I just don't see any of that as "coaching." to me, coaching is X's and O's - teaching the players how to execute the offensive and defensive game plan. Yes, there is a motivational aspect, but it involves motivating the players - not the public.

    I don't care what Fleck says to the players at practice or in the locker room, because I don't have to listen to it. I don't care what he says to recruits in their home or his office, because I don't have to listen to it. But, as a follower of the Gophers, it's hard to avoid listening to the head coach.

    bottom line, if the team wins, I'll grit my teeth and live with it. But I just don't ever foresee a day when I'm happy with it. It grates on me like fingernails on a blackboard.
    You clearly have never built a team or managed a group of people successfully. It is all about that group's buy-in. By whatever means you decide to try. Clearly it is working with our players. That. Is. All. That. Matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoofin View Post
    I would also consider myself a critic - not a skeptic.

    I have said from day 1 that he was the right hire and I think he could be successful here. I still feel that way.

    I have also said from day 1 that I didn’t like his shtick, found it annoying, and in some cases insincere and/or dishonest, and therefore offensive. I still feel that way.

    I really like the direction of the Gophers. I already think it was “worth it” to hire PJ - but I am also unlikely to ever change my view on either of the day 1 statements mentioned above.


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    You’re offended by his positive culture? Offended??? Toughen up snowflake.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WriterGoph View Post
    You clearly have never built a team or managed a group of people successfully. It is all about that group's buy-in. By whatever means you decide to try. Clearly it is working with our players. That. Is. All. That. Matters.
    RTB, Ski-U-Mah, Go Gophers!

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    I don't care one way or the other.

    I got the Brick by Brick of the predecessors, and I understand the Row the Boat mantra of the current regime.

    If the team buys into the mantra, WE, on the outside do not matter.

    Things are trending positive. Ride the wave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    You’re offended by his positive culture? Offended??? Toughen up snowflake.


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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    I guess the question is, does Fleck need the slogans, the catch phrases, the repetition to coach?

    I just don't see any of that as "coaching." to me, coaching is X's and O's - teaching the players how to execute the offensive and defensive game plan. Yes, there is a motivational aspect, but it involves motivating the players - not the public.

    I don't care what Fleck says to the players at practice or in the locker room, because I don't have to listen to it. I don't care what he says to recruits in their home or his office, because I don't have to listen to it. But, as a follower of the Gophers, it's hard to avoid listening to the head coach.

    bottom line, if the team wins, I'll grit my teeth and live with it. But I just don't ever foresee a day when I'm happy with it. It grates on me like fingernails on a blackboard.
    You think he's just trying to get the players to "execute the offensive and defensive game plan!!! What he's trying to do is build a culture. Build character in all aspects of their lives. You may think it's hokey but he isn't trying to win the minds of 50 to 70 year old fans, he's trying to win the minds of 17 to 22 year olds. Building a "player-led team" rather than a "coach-led team". Instead of gritting your teeth, why not open your mind to fresh new ideas and enjoy the ride.

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