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    I've been watching Gopher Football since the Lou Holtz days and I must say offering Fleck a raise/extension right now is ludicrous. Every time the Gophers seem to be on the rise you hear people talking about how great the coach is, and how we need to throw money at him to keep him from being the next 'Holtz' who leaves for a better job.

    Mason was our best coach in my lifetime, and the best he did was almost win the Big Ten. He should be our average coach, not our best over 3+ decades. Fleck hasn't even reached that level.

    Even Brewster had fans talking when he started his second season 7-1 (after going 1-11 in his first), but he lost the rest of those games and finished his MN career 7-18 from there. Fleck is 5-0 in his third season, but outside of Rutgers may not win another game all year. Three upcoming opponents are ranked, and another three beat us last year by two, three, and four scores.

    He should earn extensions and/or raises at the end of given seasons, not after the soft part of the schedule.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pompous Elitist View Post
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    I certainly think we should try as hard as we can to keep him, if the team finishes this season well. But I'm pretty confident hes gonna bolt for a helmet school once they back up a dump truck full of cash to his Edina manor. Perhaps he would want to stay in one place for a while since he has a gaggle of children. He bolted out of Kalamazoo as soon as he had a really successful season, why wouldn't he do the same thing here? I think UCLA, Tennesee, and Michigan would be alluring to him.

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    I'm hearing rumors that a contract extension is already on the table at the moment. Somewhere in the 5mil/year for 4 years.
    This would put him just below brohm at purdue and is pretty middle of the road.

    Rumors for now, but if it is true, count me on the side that likes it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Com_Cool View Post
    Who gives a coach a payday in the middle of year 2?
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    So we have:
    Mason - Kansas to Minnesota (1997)
    Saban - Michigan State to LSU (2000)
    Ty Willingham - Stanford to Notre Dame (2002)
    Kiffin - Tennessee to USC (2010)
    Bielema - Wisconsin to Arkansas (2013)
    Mullen - Mississippi State to Florida (2018)
    Taggert - Oregon to FSU (2018)
    Fisher - FSU to A&M (2018)

    So it happens more often than I thought, but still not frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scools12 View Post
    Nope - way too early for this kind of talk.
    +1

    I do really like him though, and hope he is very successful with the gophers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-docious View Post
    I'm hearing rumors that a contract extension is already on the table at the moment. Somewhere in the 5mil/year for 4 years.
    This would put him just below brohm at purdue and is pretty middle of the road.

    Rumors for now, but if it is true, count me on the side that likes it.
    Looking at the patterns out there for coaching contracts.

    I suspect that there's a constant flow of on the table offers that aren't momentous events as much as just a constant flow / reflect the state of the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNfootballfan View Post
    So we have:
    Mason - Kansas to Minnesota (1997)
    Saban - Michigan State to LSU (2000)
    Ty Willingham - Stanford to Notre Dame (2002)
    Kiffin - Tennessee to USC (2010)
    Bielema - Wisconsin to Arkansas (2013)
    Mullen - Mississippi State to Florida (2018)
    Taggert - Oregon to FSU (2018)
    Fisher - FSU to A&M (2018)

    So it happens more often than I thought, but still not frequently.
    Thought of some more:

    Rich Rodriguez UWV to Mich (2008)
    Todd Graham Pitt to ASU (2012)
    Houston Nutt Arkansas to Ole Miss (2008)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MNfootballfan View Post
    So we have:
    Mason - Kansas to Minnesota (1997)
    Saban - Michigan State to LSU (2000)
    Ty Willingham - Stanford to Notre Dame (2002)
    Kiffin - Tennessee to USC (2010)
    Bielema - Wisconsin to Arkansas (2013)
    Mullen - Mississippi State to Florida (2018)
    Taggert - Oregon to FSU (2018)
    Fisher - FSU to A&M (2018)

    So it happens more often than I thought, but still not frequently.
    Based on the number of P5 HC openings every year, its a small possibility...like 2.5% of the openings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescooter View Post
    This is an area I can add something to, since I have experience.

    You need to strike before interest heats up and you find yourself in negotiations that include several other Helmet Schools. It's more efficient at this point and the bidding for his talents are minimal right now (middle of season and still mostly under the radar). Coyle has some goal and objectives that have needed to be reached by now ... and in most circumstances those have been met and exceeded (see APR). The relationship between Fleck and Coyle is good at this point, but you wait and suddenly other schools get in the mix (all making promises, throwing dollars, and overall sweetening the pot).

    Shut everyone down before other schools come calling.

    Look at this transaction like buying stocks. Do your research, enter in at lower levels and buy and hold before the hype. Once the news is out, it's too late.
    So, based on your experience you are saying it would be cheaper to sign him if we aren’t in a bidding war with other schools? Thanks for the insight.


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    OK. Let's put this in perspective. This, to the best of my knowledge, is the current status of Fleck's contract, which runs through 2023. His original deal from 2017 was 5 years, $18 million total. He signed a 1-year extension in 2018. that takes us up to the present. (per the Strib)

    BASE SALARIES PER SEASON
    2019: $3.6 million
    2020: $ 3.65 million
    2021: $3.7 million
    2022: $3.75 million
    2023: $3.8 million

    BUYOUTS
    If he’s fired: Amount owed to Fleck if the Gophers fire him ...
    on Jan. 1, 2020: $9M
    on Jan. 1, 2021: $5.5M
    on Jan. 1, 2022: $3M
    on Jan. 1, 2023: $1.5M

    If he leaves for another job: Amount Fleck owes the Gophers if he leaves ...
    before 2020 season: $4M
    before 2021 season: $3M
    before 2022 season: $2M
    before 2023 season: $1M
    Note: Buyouts are prorated, if termination occurs midyear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNfootballfan View Post
    So we have:
    Mason - Kansas to Minnesota (1997)
    Saban - Michigan State to LSU (2000)
    Ty Willingham - Stanford to Notre Dame (2002)
    Kiffin - Tennessee to USC (2010)
    Bielema - Wisconsin to Arkansas (2013)
    Mullen - Mississippi State to Florida (2018)
    Taggert - Oregon to FSU (2018)
    Fisher - FSU to A&M (2018)

    So it happens more often than I thought, but still not frequently.
    Anderson - Wisconsin to Oregon State (2015)
    Riley - Oregon State to Nebraska (2015)
    Tuberville - Ole Miss to Auburn (1998)
    Franklin - Vandy to Penn State (2013)

    I'm sure there are others we're forgetting about.

    If you think about it, that's a fair amount, because only the top tier schools can generally pull someone from another P5 school, and those jobs don't open every day. Not like say Kansas or Colorado or NC State is going to hire Fleck away.

    I'm OK with a modest raise and extension (believe he was given one last year already). But to put him on par with Franklin or Harbaugh is laughable at this point. As Gibson mentioned, Brew was 7-1 in his second season. People believed he was the next coming of Murray Warmath. Would you have been happy to have extended him at a rate to make him one of the highest paid coaches?

    I'm not comparing Fleck and Brew, I'm just saying a lot of things can happen the next couple years. If you go all in on Fleck and it doesn't work out, it's going to hamstring the program with the money they'd pay out. If you don't go all in and he's hired away, that means the team is in pretty good shape, and it should be fairly easy to hire another desirable coach to come in. I don't think locking up Fleck is the most essential thing right now.

    Yes, should they win the West or more, of course you need to compensate him. But until that point, they should be anteing to stay in the game, not going all in.
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    The correct answer is: Beat Wisconsin again, then HELL YES!!
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