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    This is Gopherhole. Around here if you quote a memory from Mason's last season in 2007, you will hear it from someone reminding you that his last season was 2006 within seconds.

    But if you are like me, you are the "Gopher guy" among your friend group and you encounter a staggering low level of Gopher or college football knowledge in general when you walk among the masses, the unwashed Viking fan masses. Or reading comments on Twitter/Facebook etc.

    Gophers have "never won anything"

    Gophers will "blow it, like all the other MN sports teams" (because the writer somehow thinks anything but an undefeated national championship season is "blowing it")

    Start your season and it is "yeah, win some games and then get back to me"
    Win some games and it is "Yeah, but talk to me after you have won some Big 10 games."
    Win some B1g 10 games and it is "yeah, but beat Wisconsin and get back to me"
    Beat Wisconsin and it is "Yeah, but they were bad last year so beat them and and Ohio State and then get back to me"
    String together an undefeated stretch on the schedule and it is "yeah but they'll collapse when they play the good teams"
    Close games with non-power 5 opponents? Those aren't wins. They are losses.
    Blow out some teams and it is "yeah, but those early games that were close - unacceptable"

    For these never ending naysayers, the current narrative is the Gophers have had a "cream puff schedule" to this point therefore the win loss record doesn't count somehow and it is a joke to think the team is ranked. The Gophers definitely shouldn't be anywhere near being ranked because of their cream puff schedule (emphatically stated as fact with zero knowledge how hard all the other ranked team's schedules are).

    I will readily say it is fun to see the overall level of interest rise though, and that is displayed within the same comment sections where I have cherry picked the negative themes here. There is a lot of positivity too, and I will be very curious to see how this translates to home game attendance.

    Any of you come across similar stuff, have interesting conversations with clueless "fans," or pee yourself into the wind in an attempt to educate anyone yet, during the good Gopher start to the season?
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    YES!!!!!!!! You nailed it big time. I'm the "Gopher guy" among my friends as well, and I've had numerous in the past few days nearly verbatim conversations as you just detailed. It's frustrating, but at least people are paying attention.

    Go Gophers!!

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    Too early on the west coast--I misread the post title.

    I thought it was our crappie fans.

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    All the time. A good case in point is the current winning streak. We are 1 win away from our 8th consecutive win yet the casual fan says "who cares? you haven't beaten anybody!" When you point out that the last time the Gophers won 8 in a row was the 1940's, they still point back to "Yeah but it's all creampuffs." Then you point out that the longest current winning streaks are:
    Clemson 20
    Ohio State 12
    App State 10
    Florida 10
    Wake Forest 7
    Baylor 7
    Minnesota 7
    ...being tied for 5th out of a 120+ teams is pretty darn good and that of the 7 wins, 4 were against P5 schools they STILL aren't impressed.

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    I don't know how to measure the nay-saying crowd in terms of if they're just a loud whiny bunch or if they really reflect the pool of potential folks who show up.

    Things are moving into the right direction. If they keep it up I'm confidant folks will show up.

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    I'm often the weird Gopher Guy too. It's kind of funny that I've come across some major Gopher naysayers that are major fans of the Vikings, the ultimate in futile sports teams. Just about every host on KFAN fits that bill.

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    I'm in the minority. I get it. Every time we get close to making some real noise, we have indeed dropped the ball in big games. I think it's entirely fair and to be expected that the public hasn't bought in yet. The media is overly critical of Fleck, so they assume he must be all talk and no substance. I loved and attended the Wisconsin game last year, but that was to become bowl eligible, so I can understand the downplaying.

    We will have our chance for some big games, starting Saturday. Win, and the excuses will still be there. They will still be there if we keep on winning til Penn St. And that's where the public will consider buying in. Win that game and the narrative has changed. Even play well and the narrative can change. But that final 4 game stand will tell the story. 2-2 and people will believe. Til then expect to be disrespected, just the way it is.

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    I wish I had Gopher friends. That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    I'm in the minority. I get it. Every time we get close to making some real noise, we have indeed dropped the ball in big games. I think it's entirely fair and to be expected that the public hasn't bought in yet. The media is overly critical of Fleck, so they assume he must be all talk and no substance. I loved and attended the Wisconsin game last year, but that was to become bowl eligible, so I can understand the downplaying.

    We will have our chance for some big games, starting Saturday. Win, and the excuses will still be there. They will still be there if we keep on winning til Penn St. And that's where the public will consider buying in. Win that game and the narrative has changed. Even play well and the narrative can change. But that final 4 game stand will tell the story. 2-2 and people will believe. Til then expect to be disrespected, just the way it is.
    Absolutely. To get the casual fans interested Nebraska HAS to go in the win column. From there Rutgers on the road and Maryland at home HAVE to be wins. 8-0 will pique some interest and make folks take notice. A 9-3 regular season would probably be fine except for the fact that if we start 8-0 and end up 9-3 it means we lost 3 of 4 to PSU, Iowa, NU, and Becky. We would have to beat Herky or Becky to make a 9-3 season seem successful at that point to a lot of "fans".

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    I would say historically I encounter the same mentality, however it seems to be changing a little among the people I talk to. I think Fleck has done a lot for getting people talking about the program more.
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    It hasn't reached the masses yet, but those of us GH'ers can see that the product on the field has improved dramatically over the course of a few short seasons. The offense is much more balanced and stacked with talent (studs at WR and RB, a winning QB, OL that improves every game) and the defense is vastly improved since the change in coordinator last season.

    If this team keeps improving week over week, as they have so far this season, that means MN will be playing its best football in November. This lines up nicely, seeing as they'll need to bring it against PSU, Iowa, and WI if they want a B1G West championship and make a statement that should resonate outside of this forum. Grab an oar, get excited!
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    Fair to say MN teams have generally sucked in the post season - Twins 87 and 91 seasons excluded.

    It’s like anything in life, you have to have realistic goals and expectations. That doesn’t mean accepting mediocrity or suppressing disappointment but it does mean realizing there is always next year and embracing the suck that is constant improvement and hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    I'm in the minority. I get it. Every time we get close to making some real noise, we have indeed dropped the ball in big games. I think it's entirely fair and to be expected that the public hasn't bought in yet. The media is overly critical of Fleck, so they assume he must be all talk and no substance. I loved and attended the Wisconsin game last year, but that was to become bowl eligible, so I can understand the downplaying.

    We will have our chance for some big games, starting Saturday. Win, and the excuses will still be there. They will still be there if we keep on winning til Penn St. And that's where the public will consider buying in. Win that game and the narrative has changed. Even play well and the narrative can change. But that final 4 game stand will tell the story. 2-2 and people will believe. Til then expect to be disrespected, just the way it is.
    This is pretty spot on. I think we are dealing with naturally fickle Minnesotans, who also have been burned by their sports teams for decades. The Gophers are in an even tougher spot because it's been so long since we were consistently good and the years we were (Mason) we had SO many brutal collapses.

    I do think that if we get to 8-0 and Penn St stays in or near the Top 10, the hype around that game has the chance to approach the 2003 game we won't speak of.

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    We are the die hards on this board and we stick with our team through thick and thin. The casual fan has a point, the Gophers haven't been relevant in college football in 50 years. The casual fan should also stand up and take note of what is happening at the U. Gopher football should be important tot he community and the community should support this team and this coach.

    We may not win the west this year, but we may. If a fan can't enjoy what has happened with this program then they are just miserable people to start with.

    At this point as I look at the rest of the schedule, it is hard to imagine not winning 9-12 game this regular season.

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    Yes, similar experiences had for sure. I am also a big Twins fan and I recently had an experience by posting Go Gophers on the end of a post about the Twins loss to the Yankees.. In general I try to be a positive fan and that post was positive for the Twins. One wise guy quoted me saying too bad there is no Quick Lane Bowl in MLB (probably a Badger and Twins fan or something).
    It's too bad the average Vikings and Twins fan is not also a Gopher fan, but that's the tricky part of this market.

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