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  1. #61

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    Your fault for not understanding it.

    You won't/can't allow yourself to get it, that's not my problem.

    Not seeing why this needs to continue any further.


  2. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by MnplsGopher View Post
    Your fault for not understanding it.

    You won't/can't allow yourself to get it, that's not my problem.

    Not seeing why this needs to continue any further.
    You should maybe read some facts from the case, read her testimony then get back to me. You obviously don't understand.
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  3. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by MnplsGopher View Post
    Nope. There is a difference between 2nd degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

    Her's was the latter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...s_law)#Degrees


    Note that "intent to kill" means *prior* intent to kill. That is correct. She's talking about in the moment (ie, she wasn't aiming for his leg, or something like that). You don't understand the difference and are conflating the two separate meanings.
    Lemmesee now...an overworked, sexually frustrated/aroused female with a loaded weapon illegally enters a personís home(castle); finds him eating ice cream; becomes terribly afraid so then shoots him dead. Call it what you will, but that just ainít right mate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodasGold View Post
    Lemmesee now...an overworked, sexually frustrated/aroused female with a loaded weapon illegally enters a person’s home(castle); finds him eating ice cream; becomes terribly afraid so then shoots him dead. Call it what you will, but that just ain’t right mate!
    Correct, that is terrible.

    Voluntary manslaughter is a terrible offense, and can (and should) be punished with prison time.

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    Did the guy she shot and killed attack her or something?

  6. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    Did the guy she shot and killed attack her or something?
    I think he was in his own apartment. Just sort of minding his own business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    I think he was in his own apartment. Just sort of minding his own business.
    I know that he was in his own apartment. A lot of people are questioning the murder charge. Sure....premeditation is certainly a factor....but if the guy made no threatening actions towards her and she simply saw him and started shooting....I don't see how you could call it anything other than murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    I know that he was in his own apartment. A lot of people are questioning the murder charge. Sure....premeditation is certainly a factor....but if the guy made no threatening actions towards her and she simply saw him and started shooting....I don't see how you could call it anything other than murder.
    He was sitting on his couch, watching TV and eating ice cream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    I know that he was in his own apartment. A lot of people are questioning the murder charge. Sure....premeditation is certainly a factor....but if the guy made no threatening actions towards her and she simply saw him and started shooting....I don't see how you could call it anything other than murder.
    Well, a lot of people have thought about this for a long time. The laws we have around these situations are indeed quite a bit more nuanced than what you express here.

    Would encourage you to understand the difference between the four levels of homicide: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide

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    Quote Originally Posted by bottlebass View Post
    He was sitting on his couch, watching TV and eating ice cream.
    Hmmm....then maybe I'm missing something....because trained police officer or not....walking into someone else's apartment and not realizing that it's not your own....and then opening fire and killing someone that is offering you little threat screams murder to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MnplsGopher View Post
    Well, a lot of people have thought about this for a long time. The laws we have around these situations are indeed quite a bit more nuanced than what you express here.

    Would encourage you to understand the difference between the four levels of homicide: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide
    Read texas law. Only ones that matter in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    Hmmm....then maybe I'm missing something....because trained police officer or not....walking into someone else's apartment and not realizing that it's not your own....and then opening fire and killing someone that is offering you little threat screams murder to me.
    Well, you probably think it’s murder when a person who is texting while driving runs over and kills a person that was minding their own business.

    Each person is going to think how they want to think, regardless of our standard definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MnplsGopher View Post
    Well, a lot of people have thought about this for a long time. The laws we have around these situations are indeed quite a bit more nuanced than what you express here.

    Would encourage you to understand the difference between the four levels of homicide: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide
    Well....the way that she went in gung-ho and immediately shot someone in their own apartment....someone who was of little to no threat certainly suggests that premeditation may have been on the table. And even if not.....it certainly fits the bill for second-degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MnplsGopher View Post
    Well, you probably think it’s murder when a person who is texting while driving runs over and kills a person that was minding their own business.

    Each person is going to think how they want to think, regardless of our standard definitions.
    I don't see how the situation you present has 'intentional' killing anywhere to be found.

    Fail.

  15. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    Well....the way that she went in gung-ho and immediately shot someone in their own apartment....someone who was of little to no threat certainly suggests that premeditation may have been on the table. And even if not.....it certainly fits the bill for second-degree.
    Only if you can prove prior intent. She never indicated that in her testimony (bass will say she did, but it’s because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about).

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