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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherNE View Post
    That is what we call the "Barnburner fallacy." You are allowed to assert an opinion without addressing the complete totality of all similar instances. I condemn this crazy person. Are you satisfied? Is the goal of your post achieved?
    Terse summation. BGA, please respond to this.

    Also, BGA, find another term for what you call "the left." You are misusing an already established term. How about "far left?" Or "left wing nut jobs?" You offend a lot of folks with your current misuse. Maybe you don't care?


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    I'm getting tired of the endless categorization of the "left" and the "right" as if everyone fits in one of two boxes. Someone started a thread a few weeks ago that asked what positions do you disagree with your own party, which I thought was one of the more interesting threads we've had on here in a while.

    Beeg- everything isn't a war, it's not always us vs. them, right vs. wrong, etc. Intelligent people have different opinions and show up on different places on the political spectrum on certain issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseland Store View Post
    What have you ever done to personally further freedom and liberty in this country?
    Are you going to go around posting this stupid question to everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    It certainly comes from the other direction that way. But okay, that's your opinion. I think that if the leftists and even more importantly the moderates on the left don't call out this kind of awful behavior, more and more violence will arise. They won't listen to people from the right- so it has to be the left or better, the liberals that changes this. We can agree to disagree on this.

    This morning I heard that Jacob Frye actually penned a letter wishing out loud that there was some way to prevent Trump from coming to his city. That's the left for you. I'm tired of it and frustrated - no doubt about it. I think they are ruining the country. You may disagree and that's fine.
    You started a thread about an obviously crazed b1tch and then proceeded to say that "this is how the left thinks". Nobody in their right mind was going to come to her defense. So of course you are going to get attacked for your characterization of the left. One of two things occurred here. You were trolling. It was a poor troll if that's the case....but it's still way better than what's behind door two. You actually believe what you typed. In that case....you are as loony as the person in the video that you posted. Probably crazier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    Terse summation. BGA, please respond to this.

    Also, BGA, find another term for what you call "the left." You are misusing an already established term. How about "far left?" Or "left wing nut jobs?" You offend a lot of folks with your current misuse. Maybe you don't care?
    Well look, we could ask people to find another word for racist. Or right wing nut job. Or boot licker. If we are going to start a personal improvement thread certainly I can improve. How can you improve? Maybe not use the sexual references you do? You don't seem to worry about offending people. But hey, maybe you just don't care.

    I will offer this, these categories are too broad. I think in terms of leftists who are socialists, climate change globalists, PC people who restrict speech and who favor giant government solutions to everything- free this free that, tax the rich for it and use bogus math to justify it all. I think there are others on this site who are liberals- who still like free speech. I'd say spg is a liberal and probably bottlebass. But if I divide it up like that someone might say- hey I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. It gets tricky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherNE View Post
    That is what we call the "Barnburner fallacy." You are allowed to assert an opinion without addressing the complete totality of all similar instances. I condemn this crazy person. Are you satisfied? Is the goal of your post achieved?
    The big problem here Gopher NE is we have all been arguing with each other too long. One thread's troubles get pulled into the next. Someone on the left posts a thread about how bad the right is (let's say Cruze or El Amin) and then we go at it. Then I or someone on the right posts a thread saying how bad the left is-to possible show them that they might be hypocrites and on it goes. Personally, I would much rather debate on substance and honest information, but it usually doesn't end up that going that way with the posters here because of the old baggage. I think that what I posted was in bounds but if I want to be better than those I oppose it would be better if I steer away from a blanket statement

    Better yet, maybe I should just stay on the basketball board and forget about this mess. I consider the GH OT board a bad habit at this point. I am truly sad about the state society is in and from my point of view, I think the left is ruining the country (not the liberals the left). I think that the hatred for President Trump is just off the charts ridiculous. I don't think anyone is going to change my mind on that. I think that the liberals are the best bet for bringing the far left back to reality, but right now, it appears that the moderate liberals are scared to death of the left.

    Thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Well look, we could ask people to find another word for racist. Or right wing nut job. Or boot licker. If we are going to start a personal improvement thread certainly I can improve. How can you improve? Maybe not use the sexual references you do? You don't seem to worry about offending people. But hey, maybe you just don't care.

    I will offer this, these categories are too broad. I think in terms of leftists who are socialists, climate change globalists, PC people who restrict speech and who favor giant government solutions to everything- free this free that, tax the rich for it and use bogus math to justify it all. I think there are others on this site who are liberals- who still like free speech. I'd say spg is a liberal and probably bottlebass. But if I divide it up like that someone might say- hey I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. It gets tricky.
    Asinine response to a reasonable request.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I'm getting tired of the endless categorization of the "left" and the "right" as if everyone fits in one of two boxes. Someone started a thread a few weeks ago that asked what positions do you disagree with your own party, which I thought was one of the more interesting threads we've had on here in a while.

    Beeg- everything isn't a war, it's not always us vs. them, right vs. wrong, etc. Intelligent people have different opinions and show up on different places on the political spectrum on certain issues.
    +50 trillion. Great post. Get a clue, BGA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    Asinine response to a reasonable request.
    I see. Nothing you can improve eh? I figured as much. Thanks for posting

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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    You started a thread about an obviously crazed b1tch and then proceeded to say that "this is how the left thinks". Nobody in their right mind was going to come to her defense. So of course you are going to get attacked for your characterization of the left. One of two things occurred here. You were trolling. It was a poor troll if that's the case....but it's still way better than what's behind door two. You actually believe what you typed. In that case....you are as loony as the person in the video that you posted. Probably crazier.
    Thank you!

  11. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    +50 trillion. Great post. Get a clue, BGA.
    I appreciate your feedback Jake.

  12. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    The big problem here Gopher NE is we have all been arguing with each other too long. One thread's troubles get pulled into the next. Someone on the left posts a thread about how bad the right is (let's say Cruze or El Amin) and then we go at it. Then I or someone on the right posts a thread saying how bad the left is-to possible show them that they might be hypocrites and on it goes. Personally, I would much rather debate on substance and honest information, but it usually doesn't end up that going that way with the posters here because of the old baggage. I think that what I posted was in bounds but if I want to be better than those I oppose it would be better if I steer away from a blanket statement

    Better yet, maybe I should just stay on the basketball board and forget about this mess. I consider the GH OT board a bad habit at this point. I am truly sad about the state society is in and from my point of view, I think the left is ruining the country (not the liberals the left). I think that the hatred for President Trump is just off the charts ridiculous. I don't think anyone is going to change my mind on that. I think that the liberals are the best bet for bringing the far left back to reality, but right now, it appears that the moderate liberals are scared to death of the left.

    Thanks for posting.
    Agreed, your post was not out of the norm on this board. There's just too much ego, not enough empathy. People want to feel heard/understood before they are ready to open their mind. Blanket, absolutest statements like "the left is ruining this country" is the quickest way to get someone to dig in and shut down. If you don't have the patience for nuanced conversation, there is probably not much value for you on this board.

    Oh, and I don't post much because following the news circus as closely as you guys sounds so exhausting. I can barely keep up with the sports news. I come here to try and learn talking points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherNE View Post
    Agreed, your post was not out of the norm on this board. There's just too much ego, not enough empathy. People want to feel heard/understood before they are ready to open their mind. Blanket, absolutest statements like "the left is ruining this country" is the quickest way to get someone to dig in and shut down. If you don't have the patience for nuanced conversation, there is probably not much value for you on this board.

    Oh, and I don't post much because following the news circus as closely as you guys sounds so exhausting. I can barely keep up with the sports news. I come here to try and learn talking points.
    Good call.

    As far as patience, I have shown years of it here, explaining information over and over again to some of these folks. But after a while you put something out and get back "infowars" "racist" "tin foil hat conspiracy theorist" or some other "bad source" type of retort and you let fly on them.

    One last thing- I actually believe that the left is ruining the country (see California for an exhibit of this)- should I not be honest about it? I could list the ways, but I won't bore you with it.

  14. #74

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    The hatred of one person who is more likely than not a Trump supporter on full display.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tredwell View Post
    The hatred of one person who is more likely than not a Trump supporter on full display.
    Based on what?

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