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    Quote Originally Posted by bc2211 View Post
    And let’s face it, I don’t come here to listen to people rant or complain, I come here to pick up rumors or knowledge from those few who might be plugged into something.
    Yeah pretty much, only reason I joined gopher hole


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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzle22 View Post
    Apologies if I’ve missed it but I’d love to see this data you speak of. I don’t recall seeing it. Been a busy summer/fall for me so not much time spent on here. I recall it being the opposite though
    As many people do not want to acknowledge or accept, Pitino was hire to "learn on the job" with the hope that we may be getting a diamond in the rough. His overall record is nothing to be proud of, but he has made progress just as most other coaches do. The problem for fans of the U is that he has made those early mistakes while coaching a P5 program and not at some smaller school.

    In BarnBurners list of young coaches... thread (post #20), Built gave a list of young coaches that are hot today. I responded by showing that most of those young coaches are 10 years older that Pitino and a long time to develop there HC skills before they got their big break:

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Bennett is well on his way, Beard is well on his way. Stack is going to do very well. Fife is someone i really like. Rhoades i like a ton. Do you think Pitino will be ? How long will you give him to win the conference ? It is ok to be wrong, i will miss on some of my names but i will not wait 10 years for a conference title. Early conference titles are a great forecast of long term success.

    Teague was a slimeball with poor abilities. He was Villa 7 driven a wasted his time there. That is not where he got Pitino whom was not part of Villa. He could have had Buzz Williams who had the backing of several hall of fame guys. He went for winning the press conference which is a fatal error because it is fan driven not goal driven. UW did not win the press conference on Bennett, Ryan, Gard. UVA did not win the press conference with Tony Bennett, Fans wanted Tubby ! They got the grand slam guy on the backing of K, Knight,Jerry West, Izzo who all knew what he already was. Nova did not win the press conference on Wright but they had the courage to hire the right guy. Smart, tough, charismatic as hell. All backed by basketball people. Coyle got endorsements from the best in the business on Fleck. Time will tell. Pitino could do it here but he better do it damn soon. That ability to do something big in the 1st 5 years is a great predictor of success and proven historically. How long do you give someone to win the conference before you know they can not ? I said over and over i support this year.


    Built, your judgment of Pitino is getting comical!

    Pitino (37 yrs old) was thrown directly into the fire and had to learn on the job in the B1G, a very unforgiving situation. You are not holding your "guys" to the same standards. Many of those coaches that you listed got to learn to be a HC at the DIII or CC/JC levels, not anywhere near the B1G level. Here is a quick summary of the guys you listed. They may all be very good coaches, but not held up to the same standards that you expected out of Pitino.

    Coach Beard: 46 yrs old, first became a HC at Fort Scott Community College, Seminole State JC, went back to being an assistant for ten years under Bobby Knight, then was a HC on an ABA team, then McMurry University and then Angelo State before he got his big break at Arkansas – Little Rock and now Texas Tech.

    Coach Fife: 40 yrs old, His HC experience amounts 6 years at IPFW in the Summit conference where he had a 0.458 winning percentage with only 2 winning seasons! I guess his claim to fame is that he was an assistant at Indiana and is currently an assistant at MSU.

    Coach Rhoades: 46 yrs old, His HC experience was 10 years at DIII Randolph-Macon where he started winning the Old Dominion Conference title his 3rd thru 6th years and had an overall 0.722 winning percentage. That allowed him to become an assistant at VCU for 4 years and then the HC at Rice for 3 years where he had an 0.475 winning percentage. He is now the HC at VCU with two winning seasons.

    Coach Bennett: 50 yrs old, has been a star as a HC with only his last year at WSU and his first two years at Virginia being near 500 seasons.

    It is obvious that you disliked Teague and do not respect the way he hired our BB coach. It seems like you are letting that influence your opinion of Pitino. You didn't like that other "more qualified" candidates were passed over, you didn't like that he was very inexperienced, you think he was hired "because of his name", you didn't like that the normal channels (like talking to you) weren't followed, etc... But you have to get over it and judge his talents like other coaches. Even with his "learning mistakes" he has season with 25, 24 and 22 wins and has got us to the NCAA twice. That is not yet good enough, but it is far from the D coaching grade that you say he deserves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bc2211 View Post
    And let’s face it, I don’t come here to listen to people rant or complain, I come here to pick up rumors or knowledge from those few who might be plugged into something.
    It may not seem like it at times, but that is exactly why i joined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WriterGoph View Post
    Who started the thread? A troll trying to avoid being totally outed
    outed? Its a free message board lol

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    While I'm not interested in the pity party, I think the OP makes a valid point. I find the vast majority of this forum to be toxic. Then again, are there examples of widespread civility anywhere on the internet?

    The only reason I come here anymore is to see if we've landed a recruit and to see who's arguing with who. Go Gophers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherBlood666 View Post
    Yeah pretty much, only reason I joined gopher hole
    Yeah I me too. Maybe they have insight, maybe they don't, but at least it makes it interesting.

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    It's the same thing we get into on the football board. when is it permitted to question the head coach and who decides whether that criticism is valid?

    I do not believe that being a fan means slavish loyalty to the coach. I am a fan of the Gophers - the school and the program. Coaches and players come and go.

    I don't have a problem with Built. I have relatives who are Badger fans. I understand where Built is coming from.

    for me, the big question is what do we as fans expect from the program? is just making the NCAA tournament good enough, or does the team need to make a legitimate tournament run every once in a while?

    I can appreciate stats and analytics, but I'm more of an "eye-test" guy. I know what I think a good team looks like. Under Pitino, sometimes the Gophs look like a good team and sometimes they don't. That's all I'm saying. Not saying Pitino is a bad coach, or can't succeed here. Just saying that if he's going to succeed, he needs to show improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    It's the same thing we get into on the football board. when is it permitted to question the head coach and who decides whether that criticism is valid?

    I do not believe that being a fan means slavish loyalty to the coach. I am a fan of the Gophers - the school and the program. Coaches and players come and go.

    I don't have a problem with Built. I have relatives who are Badger fans. I understand where Built is coming from.

    for me, the big question is what do we as fans expect from the program? is just making the NCAA tournament good enough, or does the team need to make a legitimate tournament run every once in a while?

    I can appreciate stats and analytics, but I'm more of an "eye-test" guy. I know what I think a good team looks like. Under Pitino, sometimes the Gophs look like a good team and sometimes they don't. That's all I'm saying. Not saying Pitino is a bad coach, or can't succeed here. Just saying that if he's going to succeed, he needs to show improvement.
    There's nothing wrong with criticizing Pitino. What's annoying is when he's constantly compared to how the Badgers do it or how Tony Bennett does it. Instead of it coming off as a criticism, it comes off as its too bad your team isnt like my team the badgers, or my coach Bennett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyJamesMD View Post
    There's nothing wrong with criticizing Pitino. What's annoying is when he's constantly compared to how the Badgers do it or how Tony Bennett does it. Instead of it coming off as a criticism, it comes off as its too bad your team isnt like my team the badgers, or my coach Bennett.
    Pretty much nailed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyJamesMD View Post
    There's nothing wrong with criticizing Pitino. What's annoying is when he's constantly compared to how the Badgers do it or how Tony Bennett does it. Instead of it coming off as a criticism, it comes off as its too bad your team isnt like my team the badgers, or my coach Bennett.
    He's comparing to what he knows. That is what most people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Because i admire other programs, go to their games as well. Cheer for the Gophers but that is not good enough for some. You have to say only good things about one coach, one program. Do i lose my Gopher card for attending and cheering for UVA at the final 4 ?
    Of course not. But one could spend an hour on The Sabre and not find anyone slobbering over Tony Bennet quite as much as we see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyJamesMD View Post
    There's nothing wrong with criticizing Pitino. What's annoying is when he's constantly compared to how the Badgers do it or how Tony Bennett does it. Instead of it coming off as a criticism, it comes off as its too bad your team isnt like my team the badgers, or my coach Bennett.
    Thanks, Jimmy. I repeat myself a lot, but I'm sure I am not as annoying as Built, who seems to have the same answer to every question, no matter what it is. It's never been a criticism of being a critic as much as the fawning over rival coaches. I'm pretty sure he wants him fired, but I am not sure he has ever said that directly, which presents as borderline dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodburyTim View Post
    He's comparing to what he knows. That is what most people do.
    Nope.

    Built is doing a great job of taking shots at RP ever chance he gets. You can do what you suggest WITHOUT taking shots. Built doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodburyTim View Post
    He's comparing to what he knows. That is what most people do.
    Yes, his team and his coach. He must really be pulling for Coach Pitino

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    I am probably one of the posters that gets labeled as being blindly loyal to Pitino. I don't see it that way, I feel he still has potential and is making progress. I am not happy with the overall record, but i don't think it reflects his overall ability to coach. I think it is tarnished by some of his learning curve problems that hopefully he has put behind him. I also am a person that is full of optimism and feels that it breeds success. Believe me, I will call for his head if it looks like he is not capable of moving this program to the next level, I just have a difficult time not responding to some of the knee jerk negative responses.

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