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    It's funny that you explain away the current decline by saying it's natural to have some cooling after a two year hot run, and then subsequently post an article that only looks at the last two years of Obama's Presidency.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    I don't think you understand the graph you are posting. It is the measure of where things are headed as compared to where they just were. It is natural that when you have a two year hot run that there is going to be cooling in the streak. In this case that bit of cooling is at a far better level than the rising curve in 2014. More people are working and producing now, than at that time. This is not a comparison between the level of manufacturing activity in 2014 (for example) versus today. It is a trend line. So again a guy might have weighed 300 in 2014 and lost 100 pounds by 2018. Then in 2019 he gains 10 pounds so he is now at 210. He still weighs far less and is better off in 2019, even though he is gaining a little weight at the moment. You are grasping at straws to cook up a story that just doesn't exist.
    Insert into the graph when the tariffs hit. Then watch the graph decline sharply. Add in more tariffs, the line decelerates even faster. Everything you just said was political and not economic. The story not only exists, it is a growing story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    to be clear - "the left" is not rooting for an economic collapse. But - they are ready and willing to point out that - IF the economy takes a down-turn, it will not help Trump's chances for re-election.

    It's like saying, I don't root for Aaron Rodgers to get hurt - but if he does get hurt, that helps the Vikings' chances.
    Are you saying that unlike the Republicans, who intentionally tried to contract the economy through Sequestration and government shutdowns under the previous President, the Democrats haven't been taking active measures to crash the economy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    Trump just "hereby ordered" American businesses how to conduct themselves. I look forward to The Fellas screaming "socialist" at him and condemning him.
    That's more Fascist than Socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean S View Post
    Insert into the graph when the tariffs hit. Then watch the graph decline sharply. Add in more tariffs, the line decelerates even faster. Everything you just said was political and not economic. The story not only exists, it is a growing story.
    Again- he doesn't really understand what he posted- the economy is still hot, better than at any time during the Obama era. If the tariffs stick there will be damage. That's too bad but at some point we need to face our problems, which Trump is doing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Again- he doesn't really understand what he posted- the economy is still hot, better than at any time during the Obama era. If the tariffs stick there will be damage. That's too bad but at some point we need to face our problems, which Trump is doing now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cncmin View Post
    Are you saying that unlike the Republicans, who intentionally tried to contract the economy through Sequestration and government shutdowns under the previous President, the Democrats haven't been taking active measures to crash the economy?
    has a government shutdown ever crashed the economy? Ever?

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    So justnofacts - should an American president take steps to ensure a more favorable solution for America with respect to trade?

    Yes or no.

    Did your hero D president take steps? If so, what steps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnBurner View Post
    So justnofacts - should an American president take steps to ensure a more favorable solution for America with respect to trade?

    Yes or no.

    Did your hero D president take steps? If so, what steps?
    Well he did ship that 1.8 billion to Iran so they at least like us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Well he did ship that 1.8 billion to Iran so they at least like us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Well he did ship that 1.8 billion to Iran so they at least like us...
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44989775/n.../#.XW6vNihKi2c
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...65d_story.html
    https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-off...tion%E2%80%99s
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-32498715



    I do really like the fact that it's OK that Dear Leader is actively tanking the economy because The Greatest Negotiator and Deal-maker of All Time is no worse than The Great Socialist Muslim Foreigner President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Well he did ship that 1.8 billion to Iran so they at least like us...
    The stock market is flat for the last calendar year since the Stable Genius began his trade war. Does that still qualify as a "roaring" economy?

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