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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokomis View Post
    We are very active in our ELCA church...council, committees, youth stuff. I'm thankful for how "progessive" the church is...female clergy, recognizing gay marriage, and now this sanctuary thing. I'm not sure how this will change things in practice. Our church is very involved with Sudanese families, both migrants and local missions in Sudan. I assume we'll continue, just maybe more dedicated resources from the synod level. I'm sure there's a recruitment piece to it too.
    Does progressive ideology outweigh or out mode anything that the Bible actually teaches in your view? Just a question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Does progressive ideology outweigh or out mode anything that the Bible actually teaches in your view? Just a question.
    Yes, Timothy 2:11-15

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    The Bible has more manuscript evidence backing it than any other historical writing by a mile. It has stood the test of time. Those who adhere to it are not making up new codes for morality as we go along. The instructions in the Bible work. If you follow it, you have a better life and if society follows it, you have a better society. These are choices we have, it is not by force or coercion, it just is the way it is.
    Lol....a bunch of "evidence" written by a bunch a frauds. And there's nothing to back...."because God told me".

    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Does progressive ideology outweigh or out mode anything that the Bible actually teaches in your view? Just a question.
    The Bible informs and re-enforces my progressive ideology, rather than contradict. So, no.
    Jaws was never my scene, and I don't like Star Wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokomis View Post
    The Bible informs and re-enforces my progressive ideology, rather than contradict. So, no.
    Agreed. There is no way i would have the progressive, liberal, and socialist views I do but for my 12 years of education in private religious schools. Both my parents were very conservative in their religious and political views. Everything I learned at those schools convinced my that right wing politics are not in accordance with the Holy Bible and the teachings of Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokomis View Post
    The Bible informs and re-enforces my progressive ideology, rather than contradict. So, no.
    The bible advocates the use of government to force individuals to be charitable and good christians? or does it recommend voluntary individual action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruze View Post
    Agreed. There is no way i would have the progressive, liberal, and socialist views I do but for my 12 years of education in private religious schools. Both my parents were very conservative in their religious and political views. Everything I learned at those schools convinced my that right wing politics are not in accordance with the Holy Bible and the teachings of Jesus.
    Yes, Soviet Russia was exactly what Jesus had in mind with his teachings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    The Bible has more manuscript evidence backing it than any other historical writing by a mile. It has stood the test of time. Those who adhere to it are not making up new codes for morality as we go along. The instructions in the Bible work. If you follow it, you have a better life and if society follows it, you have a better society. These are choices we have, it is not by force or coercion, it just is the way it is.
    Beeg out bible thumping again, thread after thread after thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    The bible advocates the use of government to force individuals to be charitable and good christians? or does it recommend voluntary individual action?
    What does the Bible say?

    1. Romans 13:1-7 “Every person must obey the leaders of the land. There is no power given but from God, and all leaders are allowed by God. The person who does not obey the leaders of the land is working against what God has done. Anyone who does that will be punished..”

    2.Titus 3:1-2 “Remind your people to obey the government and its officers, and always to be obedient and ready for any honest work. They must not speak evil of anyone, nor quarrel, but be gentle and truly courteous to all.”

    3. 1 Peter 2:13-16 “Therefore, be subject to every human ordinance that is of the Lord, whether it be to a king or to a superior, and unto governors as unto those that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those that do well. For this is the will of God, that in well doing ye may silence the ignorance of vain men, as being free, yet not using your liberty to cover maliciousness, but as slaves of God.”

    4. Proverbs 3:27 “Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act.”

    5. Mark 12:14-17 "... Tell us, is it right to pay taxes to Caesar? Should we pay them or not?” But Jesus knew that these men were really trying to trick him. He said, “Why are you trying to catch me saying something wrong? Bring me a silver coin. Let me see it.” They gave Jesus a coin and he asked, “Whose picture is on the coin? And whose name is written on it?” They answered, “It is Caesar’s picture and Caesar’s name.” Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.” The men were amazed at what Jesus said.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruze View Post
    What does the Bible say?

    1. Romans 13:1-7 “Every person must obey the leaders of the land. There is no power given but from God, and all leaders are allowed by God. The person who does not obey the leaders of the land is working against what God has done. Anyone who does that will be punished..”

    2.Titus 3:1-2 “Remind your people to obey the government and its officers, and always to be obedient and ready for any honest work. They must not speak evil of anyone, nor quarrel, but be gentle and truly courteous to all.”

    3. 1 Peter 2:13-16 “Therefore, be subject to every human ordinance that is of the Lord, whether it be to a king or to a superior, and unto governors as unto those that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those that do well. For this is the will of God, that in well doing ye may silence the ignorance of vain men, as being free, yet not using your liberty to cover maliciousness, but as slaves of God.”

    4. Proverbs 3:27 “Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act.”

    5. Mark 12:14-17 "... Tell us, is it right to pay taxes to Caesar? Should we pay them or not?” But Jesus knew that these men were really trying to trick him. He said, “Why are you trying to catch me saying something wrong? Bring me a silver coin. Let me see it.” They gave Jesus a coin and he asked, “Whose picture is on the coin? And whose name is written on it?” They answered, “It is Caesar’s picture and Caesar’s name.” Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.” The men were amazed at what Jesus said.”
    "be obedient" isn't an endorsement of any ideology. Would 1-2 not apply to Hitler? Surely you don't believe Christianity supports Hitler's socialist nazi ideology?

    4) references voluntary action, I assume you are as ignorant of that word as Jammer.
    5) sounds like an endorsement of cryptocurrency.

    Good fail. None of that is an endorsement of ideology. Conversely, there are too many bible passages to post, encouraging voluntary individual action. If this is the best you can do to show that the bible favors compulsory charity over voluntary, you have failed. But I also know that a vile communist like you isn't a christian at all. You got that list from the latest edition of Jacobin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    Ended with a question mark. So not exactly.

    But at least I am not using a text written by humans and revised by humans as my basis for good and bad.
    What do you use as your defining measure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    Lol....a bunch of "evidence" written by a bunch a frauds. And there's nothing to back...."because God told me".

    LOL!

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    Frauds?
    I'm not sure how many frauds actually die for their cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    Yes, Soviet Russia was exactly what Jesus had in mind with his teachings.
    This was funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokomis View Post
    The Bible informs and re-enforces my progressive ideology, rather than contradict. So, no.
    So God is pro-abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    So God is pro-abortion?
    You have to be pro-abortion to be progressive?
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