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    Default Overall Strength of Schedule (SOS) Based On Last Season's Final NET Rankings

    I'll update this as I get complete schedules.

    Average NET of All Opponents -- 318 of 353 complete
    1 Oklahoma 71.466
    2 Purdue 73.333
    3 Oklahoma State 73.833
    4 Alabama 76.655
    5 Michigan State 77.586
    6 Texas 77.933
    7 Kansas 78.724
    8 Iowa State 79.482
    9 West Virginia 80.6
    10 Auburn 80.966
    11 Florida 81.793
    12 Michigan 81.965
    13 North Carolina 84.448
    14 TCU 85.366
    15 Ohio State 85.838
    16 Wisconsin 86.7
    17 Indiana 86.774
    18 Arkansas 87.032
    19 Seton Hall 87.142
    20 Iowa 87.333
    21 Butler 87.633
    22 Tennessee 88.833
    23 Miami-Florida 89.678
    24 Wake Forest 90.178
    25 Northwestern 90.551
    26 Mississippi State 90.689
    27 Baylor 90.964
    28 Texas A&M 91.035
    29 Kentucky 91.645
    30 Maryland 91.655
    31 Georgia Tech 92.068
    32 Missouri 92.1
    33 Penn State 92.366
    34 Georgetown 93.166
    35 Kansas State 93.366
    36 Illinois 93.548
    37 LSU 94.064
    38 Georgia 94.172
    39 Virginia 97.137
    40 Texas Tech 97.166
    41 Vanderbilt 97.645
    42 Duke 98.233
    43 Villanova 98.413
    44 Syracuse 99.633
    45 Boston College 100
    46 Creighton 100.482
    47 Louisville 100.483
    48 Nebraska 101.068
    49 DePaul 101.354
    50 Cincinnati 102.178
    51 Xavier 102.793
    52 Ole Miss 104.033
    53 Providence 104.137
    54 NC State 106.225
    55 Florida State 106.666
    56 Cal 106.866
    57 Notre Dame 107.322
    58 Marquette 107.642
    59 Rutgers 107.967
    60 USF 108.275
    61 Wichita State 109.4
    62 Pitt 111
    63 South Carolina 111.133
    64 Oregon 112.758
    65 Arizona 114.793
    66 Arizona State 117.966
    67 Saint John’s 119.566
    68 Colorado 121.586
    69 Temple 123.068
    70 UConn 123.344
    71 Virginia Tech 123.379
    72 USC 124.62
    73 Houston 126.172
    74 Utah 127.321
    75 Tulane 127.592
    76 UCLA 128.724
    77 Washington 130.517
    78 UCF 131.642
    79 Stanford 133.566
    80 Saint Mary’s 134.466
    81 BYU 140.827
    82 Tulsa 143.548
    83 Saint Joseph’s 143.896
    84 East Carolina 148.275
    85 Rhode Island 149.766
    86 Washington State 149.793
    87 Ohio 152.206
    88 Kent State 152.275
    89 Gonzaga 152.965
    90 VCU 155.033
    91 UMass 155.3
    92 San Francisco 155.419
    93 San Diego 155.6
    94 UNLV 157.612
    95 Western Kentucky 158.043
    96 Davidson 158.107
    97 Princeton 158.384
    98 Ball State 158.655
    99 Richmond 159.5
    100 Colorado State 159.965
    101 Dayton 160.517
    102 Illinois State 160.892
    103 Wyoming 161.62
    104 Miami-Ohio 163.137
    105 Penn 163.56
    106 Bowling Green 163.678
    107 Buffalo 164.034
    108 Western Michigan 164.7
    109 La Salle 165
    110 Duquesne 165.233
    111 San Jose State 165.4
    112 UT-Arlington 167.645
    113 Saint Louis 168.548
    114 Evansville 168.758
    115 Central Michigan 170.387
    116 George Mason 171
    117 Marshall 171.111
    118 Eastern Michigan 172.161
    119 Bradley 173.5
    120 Yale 173.517
    121 North Texas 173.666
    122 Nevada 173.821
    123 Pepperdine 174.714
    124 Toledo 176.032
    125 George Washington 176.517
    126 Northern Illinois 176.87
    127 Kennesaw State 176.966
    128 Saint Bonaventure 177.4
    129 Missouri State 177.413
    130 Valparaiso 178
    131 Boise State 178.5
    132 Harvard 178.777
    133 Detroit 178.87
    134 Northern Iowa 179.103
    135 Southern Illinois 179.612
    136 Indiana State 180
    137 New Mexico 180.433
    138 Southern Miss 180.64
    139 Old Dominion 181.32
    140 North Florida 181.6
    141 Loyola-Chicago 181.965
    142 UTEP 182.458
    143 Bakersfield 182.677
    144 Cleveland State 183.5
    145 Cornell 184.592
    146 Rice 186.72
    147 Navy 186.793
    148 Portland 186.965
    149 Towson 187.107
    150 William & Mary 187.161
    151 Columbia 187.896
    152 Air Force 188.233
    153 Georgia State 188.633
    154 Akron 188.666
    155 Brown 189.111
    156 Texas State 189.935
    157 Oakland 190.064
    158 Dartmouth 190.137
    159 Chattanooga 190.933
    160 Texas-Rio Grande Valley 191.066
    161 Long Beach State 191.5
    162 Lafayette 191.551
    163 Louisiana 191.838
    164 UMKC 191.896
    165 NC-Greensboro 193.096
    166 Charlotte 193.16
    167 Elon 193.166
    168 Western Carolina 193.31
    169 Little Rock 194.258
    170 Georgia Southern 194.29
    171 Appalachian State 194.548
    172 Wofford 194.612
    173 Pacific 195.031
    174 Furman 195.935
    175 FAU 196.653
    176 Samford 197.187
    177 Fordham 197.214
    178 UAB 197.333
    179 The Citadel 197.448
    180 Santa Clara 197.58
    181 Troy 198.129
    182 Drake 198.137
    183 Gardner-Webb 199.344
    184 NC-Wilmington 199.838
    185 South Alabama 199.896
    186 College of Charleston 200.357
    187 Winthrop 201.935
    188 Green Bay 202.064
    189 High Point 202.354
    190 North Alabama 202.413
    191 Loyola-Maryland 202.466
    192 James Madison 202.724
    193 UIC 203
    194 Grand Canyon 203.407
    195 Drexel 203.533
    196 Arkansas State 203.677
    197 Army 204.172
    198 Cal Poly 204.793
    199 Bucknell 205.566
    200 Holy Cross 205.733
    201 FIU 206.111
    202 Florida Gulf Coast 206.258
    203 VMI 206.354
    204 UL-Monroe 206.482
    205 Northeastern 206.607
    206 NJIT 208.344
    207 Belmont 208.354
    208 Coastal Carolina 208.448
    209 Colgate 208.483
    210 Radford 208.888
    211 Tennessee Tech 209.354
    212 Milwaukee 209.464
    213 Delaware 211.451
    214 Oral Roberts 213.034
    215 Northern Kentucky 213.133
    216 Hofstra 214.033
    217 UC-Irvine 214.096
    218 Vermont 214.533
    219 Maine 215.2
    220 Tennessee State 216.4
    221 Cal State-Fullerton 216.483
    222 New Mexico State 216.689
    223 Boston U 216.9
    224 Jacksonville 217.774
    225 Utah Valley 218.87
    226 Stony Brook 219.677
    227 Eastern Washington 220.064
    228 Denver 220.5
    229 Southern Utah 220.586
    230 Youngstown State 220.774
    231 Southeast Missouri State 220.903
    232 Eastern Kentucky 220.935
    233 Central Arkansas 221.433
    234 Charleston Southern 221.758
    235 Lipscomb 221.827
    236 Austin Peay 222.87
    237 Houston Baptist 223.413
    238 American 223.482
    239 Stetson 223.774
    240 Omaha 223.9
    241 Binghamton 224.206
    242 UC-Davis 224.5
    243 Morehead State 225.096
    244 Albany 225.741
    245 Cal Baptist 226.166
    246 Wright State 226.758
    247 Presbyterian 227.096
    248 Hawaii 227.535
    249 North Dakota State 228.066
    250 Montana State 228.096
    251 Weber State 228.379
    252 Hampton 228.645
    253 Campbell 229.333
    254 Texas Southern 232.29
    255 Jacksonville State 233.2
    256 UMass-Lowell 233.354
    257 Fort Wayne 233.838
    258 NC-Asheville 234.586
    259 Montana 235
    260 New Hampshire 235.413
    261 Canisius 235.666
    262 Northern Arizona 235.862
    263 UMES 236.222
    264 Monmouth 236.225
    265 Texas A&M Corpus-Christi 236.419
    266 Portland State 237
    267 Siena 237.137
    268 South Dakota State 237.193
    269 South Dakota 237.433
    270 Niagara 238.935
    271 Mount Saint Mary’s 239.774
    272 Idaho State 240.206
    273 Liberty 240.357
    274 Hartford 240.612
    275 Florida A&M 241.037
    276 Idaho 241.161
    277 Robert Morris 241.29
    278 Sacramento State 243.724
    279 Central Connecticut 243.933
    280 Murray State 244.535
    281 Fairfield 245.068
    282 UCSB 245.548
    283 Mississippi Valley State 245.838
    284 Wagner 245.896
    285 Merrimack 246.387
    286 Coppin State 247.225
    287 Longwood 247.322
    288 Prairie View A&M 247.766
    289 Saint Francis-PA 248.448
    290 Alabama A&M 249.31
    291 Rider 249.62
    292 Sacred Heart 251
    293 Stephen F. Austin 251.322
    294 Lamar 251.709
    295 Southeastern Louisiana 251.741
    296 Manhattan 251.793
    297 Southern U 252
    298 Nicholls State 253.032
    299 Sam Houston State 253.451
    300 New Orleans 253.6
    301 LIU 255.6
    302 Howard 256.806
    303 Bryant 258.096
    304 Northwestern State 260.517
    305 Fairleigh Dickinson 260.586
    306 Quinnipiac 260.931
    307 North Carolina A&T 261.466
    308 McNeese State 262.193
    309 Abilene Christian 263.516
    310 South Carolina State 266.892
    311 Delaware State 266.896
    312 Saint Francis-NY 268.6
    313 Marist 269.241
    314 Incarnate Word 270.419
    315 Grambling 272.258
    316 Norfolk State 273.4333
    317 Alcorn State 275.033
    318 Morgan State 275.8969
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    Default B1G Only

    9 of 14 B1G Schedules Completed
    1 Purdue 73.333
    2 Michigan State 77.586
    3 Michigan 81.965
    4 Wisconsin 86.7
    5 Northwestern 90.551
    6 Maryland 91.655
    7 Penn State 92.366
    8 Nebraska 101.068
    9 Rutgers 107.967

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    Default Still waiting. ...

    for non-conference schedule releases from:

    Illinois
    Indiana
    Iowa
    Minnesota
    Ohio State

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    3 in the top 10 so far? Good to see the conference scheduling aggressively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedsmaroonandgold View Post
    3 in the top 10 so far? Good to see the conference scheduling aggressively.
    Here's how the non-conference scheduling looks so far, a clear look of how teams are scheduling outside their conference.

    This one I won't update again until all 353 schedules are complete, except for when the Gophers officially announce their complete schedule.

    Average NET of Non-Conference Opponents
    1 Purdue 113.3
    2 North Carolina 114.777
    3 Texas Southern 114.846
    4 Florida 119.181
    5 Auburn 121
    6 Butler 122.583
    7 Central Arkansas 123.4
    8 Seton Hall 126.8
    9 Mississippi State 130.6
    10 Cal 131.416
    11 Oklahoma State 131.583
    12 Nevada 132.4
    13 Tennessee 133.666
    14 Texas 135.333
    15 Kentucky 135.692
    16 Western Kentucky 137
    17 Michigan State 137.777
    18 UT-Arlington 138.545
    19 Georgetown 139.416
    20 Kansas 139.727
    21 Iowa State 142.09
    22 Arizona 142.636
    23 Arizona State 143.25
    24 Temple 143.454
    25 LSU 146.153
    26 Colorado State 150.454
    27 Missouri 151.166
    28 Duke 151.2
    29 Long Beach State 151.357
    30 Michigan 151.555
    31 Utah 152.3
    32 Texas A&M 152.6
    33 West Virginia 154.166
    34 Siena 155.444
    35 Wichita State 156.166
    36 TCU 156.25
    37 Syracuse 156.8
    38 Oakland 157.384
    39 Vermont 158
    40 UNLV 158.538
    41 Washington 160.181
    42 Louisville 160.727
    43 Wisconsin 163.2
    44 Alabama A&M 163.818
    45 USC 164.363
    46 UMass 165.166
    47 Xavier 165.363
    48 Dayton 166.272
    49 UCF 167.2
    50 La Salle 167.5
    51 Georgia 171
    52 San Francisco 171.266
    53 Providence 171.272
    54 Kansas State 172.25
    55 Boston College 173.09
    56 Bradley 174.083
    57 UConn 175.181
    58 Maryland 175.333
    59 Eastern Washington 175.636
    60 Towson 175.9
    61 Wake Forest 176.125
    62 Penn State 176.5
    63 Notre Dame 177.363
    64 Stanford 177.833
    65 Marquette 178.2
    66 Yale 178.266
    T67 Miami-Florida 179
    T67 Virginia 179
    69 Bucknell 179.583
    70 UCLA 180.09
    71 Old Dominion 181.727
    72 Missouri State 182.09
    73 College of Charleston 182.4
    74 Texas A&M-Corpus Christi 182.727
    75 Stony Brook 184
    76 George Mason 184.727
    77 Houston 185
    78 Texas Tech 185.416
    79 Florida State 185.5
    80 Ole Miss 187.5
    81 Oral Roberts 187.692
    82 Fairfield 189.666
    83 Saint Francis-PA 191.09
    84 Central Connecticut 193.333
    85 Northwestern 194.444
    86 Wofford 194.538
    87 Harvard 195.923
    88 Montana 196.272
    89 Indiana State 196.363
    90 Maine 197.428
    91 Texas State 197.545
    92 San Jose State 197.583
    93 Tulsa 201.307
    94 Saint John’s 203.916
    95 Sacred Heart 206.615
    96 Fairleigh Dickinson 209.636
    97 NC-Wilmington 209.923
    98 Appalachian State 210.181
    99 Jacksonville State 210.833
    100 Binghamton 214.615
    101 Rice 215.363
    102 UTEP 215.7
    103 Tulane 216.111
    104 Pitt 216.7
    105 Norfolk State 216.785
    106 James Madison 216.818
    107 Nebraska 217.444
    108 Miami-Ohio 219.09
    109 Boston U 220.916
    110 Columbia 222.2
    111 Brown 222.461
    112 Western Michigan 222.5
    113 Pepperdine 222.666
    114 Stephen F. Austin 223.363
    115 Air Force 225
    116 UMass-Lowell 226.533
    117 Northern Arizona 226.666
    118 Rutgers 228.09
    119 Bryant 228.307
    120 Chattanooga 229
    121 Quinnipiac 229.444
    122 Hampton 231.153
    T123 Arkansas State 234.909
    T123 Wright State 234.909
    125 Hartford 235.785
    126 Washington State 236.545
    127 Murray State 237.9
    128 Charlotte 238.636
    129 Western Carolina 242.181
    130 New Hampshire 242.538
    131 Liberty 244.5
    132 Idaho State 245.111
    133 Sacramento State 248.444
    134 Virginia Tech 255.111
    135 Marist 264.444
    136 VMI 267.461
    137 Santa Clara 271
    138 Cal Baptist 279.071

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    Default Big Ten Only

    10 of 14 B1G Schedules Completed
    1 Purdue 73.333
    2 Michigan State 77.586
    3 Michigan 81.965
    4 Ohio State 85.838
    5 Wisconsin 86.7
    6 Northwestern 90.551
    7 Maryland 91.655
    8 Penn State 92.366
    9 Nebraska 101.068
    10 Rutgers 107.967

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    I appreciate the info, but net rankings still are a terrible metric.

    Team A and Team B play Team C and Team D

    Team A beats both C and D by 1 point.
    Team B beats team C by 10 points but loses to D by 1 point.


    Who had a better two games. Any rating based on logic would put the unbeaten team as the more successful. Any rating based on efficiency would do the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Some guy View Post
    I appreciate the info, but net rankings still are a terrible metric.

    Team A and Team B play Team C and Team D

    Team A beats both C and D by 1 point.
    Team B beats team C by 10 points but loses to D by 1 point.


    Who had a better two games. Any rating based on logic would put the unbeaten team as the more successful. Any rating based on efficiency would do the opposite.
    Two games is a small sample size. SS said based on last years whole body of work. It is a fact that the best teams were most efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Two games is a small sample size. SS said based on last years whole body of work. It is a fact that the best teams were most efficient.
    You can believe this all you want, and logic would seem to follow, but the weight of the variables in NET are wrong. Efficiency tends to correlate with better teams, but the example shows the problem with the NET rankings. Actual wins matter more than efficiency. If the fundamental logic is flawed, sample size will not fix it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Some guy View Post
    I appreciate the info, but net rankings still are a terrible metric.

    Team A and Team B play Team C and Team D

    Team A beats both C and D by 1 point.
    Team B beats team C by 10 points but loses to D by 1 point.


    Who had a better two games. Any rating based on logic would put the unbeaten team as the more successful. Any rating based on efficiency would do the opposite.
    It’s the ranking system they use, so it’s the one I’m using here. It’s not an endorsement. Chill, my man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    You can believe this all you want, and logic would seem to follow, but the weight of the variables in NET are wrong. Efficiency tends to correlate with better teams, but the example shows the problem with the NET rankings. Actual wins matter more than efficiency. If the fundamental logic is flawed, sample size will not fix it.


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    Actual wins are the result of efficient play. You can not win if your opponent is more efficient than you are. OE and DE are the measures in a game that result on the points you score and those you give up. Two mediocre teams can and often play poorly. If they play each other one of them wins . If a good team plays at Duke and it was a incredible well played game it will be measured for that. Why not, to me it means nothing if a team ranked 50th wins against a team ranked 300th and both turn it over 25 times. The winner of that game is not better than a team that lost closely in a well played game at a top ranked team. Since everybody can not play everyone they needed a tool to differentiate. I would love a world where everyone could play everyone home and away but the best teams would be the ones that played the best most often. It would look very much how Kenpom looked after last season, or NET or conference standings, or the NCAA tourney.

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    Default Overall Strength of Schedule (SOS) Based On Last Season's Final NET Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Actual wins are the result of efficient play. You can not win if your opponent is more efficient than you are. OE and DE are the measures in a game that result on the points you score and those you give up. Two mediocre teams can and often play poorly. If they play each other one of them wins . If a good team plays at Duke and it was a incredible well played game it will be measured for that. Why not, to me it means nothing if a team ranked 50th wins against a team ranked 300th and both turn it over 25 times. The winner of that game is not better than a team that lost closely in a well played game at a top ranked team. Since everybody can not play everyone they needed a tool to differentiate. I would love a world where everyone could play everyone home and away but the best teams would be the ones that played the best most often. It would look very much how Kenpom looked after last season, or NET or conference standings, or the NCAA tourney.
    Sports are played to determine who actually wins, not who is technically the best team. Usually the better team wins, but not always!

    If the earlier example was about B1G conference games, the team that is 2-0 is better than the team that is 1-1. And as you always say: you need to have above .500 conference records to judge a team/coach. But NET ranking would have the 1-1 team above the 2-0 team. OK, so you say the sample size is too small. Just extend the example where the one team ends up 10-0 and wins by 1 point every game, where the second team ends up 7-3 winning by 10 points and losing by 1 point. Which team plays for the conference championship, gets seeded higher in the tourney, etc...

    Team efficiencies can be an indicator of how good a team is, but it needs to be held into context. And just because NET includes some OE and DE in its calculations doesn’t mean that it does it correctly. NET was just one of the rankings used last year, but it was not the primary source. Rightfully so, there were some higher NET ranked teams left out of the tournament.


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    Of course the best team does not always win a given game. I value wins as much as anyone alive. Note the high standard i hold for success. It holds only character and winning. The best coaches are tracking all kinds of data but the one that defines success is efficiency. The NET has its flaws but it has to be used to bridge the game on all the teams that never play each other. This staff now is placing its attention to efficiency, not the NET. If you do great in efficiency then NET is taking care of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Of course the best team does not always win a given game. I value wins as much as anyone alive. Note the high standard i hold for success. It holds only character and winning. The best coaches are tracking all kinds of data but the one that defines success is efficiency. The NET has its flaws but it has to be used to bridge the game on all the teams that never play each other. This staff now is placing its attention to efficiency, not the NET. If you do great in efficiency then NET is taking care of.
    agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Two games is a small sample size. SS said based on last years whole body of work. It is a fact that the best teams were most efficient.
    That is not always the case.
    On average, efficiency in all of the games will lead to winning records.
    In individual cases it may be completely flawed.


    It is funny you say that the reason my example is bad is too small of a sample a size. Because a 30 game schedule to judge 350 teams is exactly why efficiency is a bad metric to use as the primary ranker of teams. Too small of a sample size.
    In a sample size that small, things like wins, winning percentage, and SOS are more reliable to judge quality of accomplishment than point margins.


    If all the ncaa teams played everyone, efficiency would be a better metric.

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