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    Default Overall Strength of Schedule (SOS) Based On Last Season's Final NET Rankings

    I'll update this as I get complete schedules.

    Average NET of All Opponents -- 301 of 353 complete
    1 Purdue 73.333
    2 Oklahoma State 73.833
    3 Alabama 76.655
    4 Michigan State 77.586
    5 Texas 77.933
    6 Kansas 78.724
    7 Iowa State 79.482
    8 West Virginia 80.6
    9 Auburn 80.966
    10 Florida 81.793
    11 Michigan 81.965
    12 North Carolina 84.448
    13 TCU 85.366
    14 Ohio State 85.838
    15 Wisconsin 86.7
    16 Indiana 86.774
    17 Arkansas 87.032
    18 Seton Hall 87.142
    19 Iowa 87.333
    20 Butler 87.633
    21 Tennessee 88.833
    22 Miami-Florida 89.678
    23 Wake Forest 90.178
    24 Northwestern 90.551
    25 Mississippi State 90.689
    26 Baylor 90.964
    27 Texas A&M 91.035
    28 Kentucky 91.645
    29 Maryland 91.655
    30 Georgia Tech 92.068
    31 Missouri 92.1
    32 Penn State 92.366
    33 Georgetown 93.166
    34 Kansas State 93.366
    35 Illinois 93.548
    36 LSU 94.064
    37 Georgia 94.172
    38 Virginia 97.137
    39 Texas Tech 97.166
    40 Vanderbilt 97.645
    41 Duke 98.233
    42 Villanova 98.413
    43 Syracuse 99.633
    44 Boston College 100
    45 Creighton 100.482
    46 Louisville 100.483
    47 Nebraska 101.068
    48 Cincinnati 102.178
    49 Xavier 102.793
    50 Ole Miss 104.033
    51 DePaul 104.133
    52 Providence 104.137
    53 NC State 106.225
    54 Florida State 106.666
    55 Cal 106.866
    56 Notre Dame 107.322
    57 Marquette 107.642
    58 Rutgers 107.967
    59 USF 108.275
    60 Wichita State 109.4
    61 Pitt 111
    62 South Carolina 111.133
    63 Oregon 112.758
    64 Arizona 114.793
    65 Arizona State 117.966
    66 Saint John’s 119.566
    67 Colorado 121.586
    68 Temple 123.068
    69 UConn 123.344
    70 Virginia Tech 123.379
    71 USC 124.62
    72 Houston 126.172
    73 Utah 127.321
    74 Tulane 127.592
    75 UCLA 128.724
    76 Washington 130.517
    77 UCF 131.642
    78 Stanford 133.566
    79 Saint Mary’s 134.466
    80 BYU 140.827
    81 Tulsa 143.548
    82 Saint Joseph’s 143.896
    83 East Carolina 148.275
    84 Rhode Island 149.766
    85 Washington State 149.793
    86 Ohio 152.206
    87 Kent State 152.275
    88 Gonzaga 152.965
    89 VCU 155.033
    90 UMass 155.3
    91 San Francisco 155.419
    92 San Diego 155.6
    93 UNLV 157.612
    94 Western Kentucky 158.043
    95 Davidson 158.107
    96 Princeton 158.384
    97 Ball State 158.655
    98 Richmond 159.5
    99 Colorado State 159.965
    100 Dayton 160.517
    101 Illinois State 160.892
    102 Wyoming 161.62
    103 Miami-Ohio 163.137
    104 Penn 163.56
    105 Bowling Green 163.678
    106 Western Michigan 164.7
    107 La Salle 165
    108 Duquesne 165.233
    109 San Jose State 165.4
    110 UT-Arlington 167.645
    111 Saint Louis 168.548
    112 Evansville 168.758
    113 Central Michigan 170.387
    114 George Mason 171
    115 Marshall 171.111
    116 Eastern Michigan 172.161
    117 Bradley 173.5
    118 Yale 173.517
    119 North Texas 173.666
    120 Nevada 173.821
    121 Pepperdine 174.714
    122 Toledo 176.032
    123 George Washington 176.517
    124 Northern Illinois 176.87
    125 Kennesaw State 176.966
    126 Saint Bonaventure 177.4
    127 Missouri State 177.413
    128 Valparaiso 178
    129 Boise State 178.5
    130 Harvard 178.777
    131 Detroit 178.87
    132 Northern Iowa 179.103
    133 Southern Illinois 179.612
    134 Indiana State 180
    135 Southern Miss 180.64
    136 Old Dominion 181.32
    137 North Florida 181.6
    138 Loyola-Chicago 181.965
    139 UTEP 182.458
    140 Cleveland State 183.5
    141 Cornell 184.592
    142 Rice 186.72
    143 Navy 186.793
    144 Portland 186.965
    145 Towson 187.107
    146 William & Mary 187.161
    147 Columbia 187.896
    148 Air Force 188.233
    149 Akron 188.666
    150 Brown 189.111
    151 Texas State 189.935
    152 Oakland 190.064
    153 Dartmouth 190.137
    154 Chattanooga 190.933
    155 Texas-Rio Grande Valley 191.066
    156 Long Beach State 191.5
    157 Lafayette 191.551
    158 Louisiana 191.838
    159 UMKC 191.896
    160 NC-Greensboro 193.096
    161 Charlotte 193.16
    162 Western Carolina 193.31
    163 Little Rock 194.258
    164 Georgia Southern 194.29
    165 Appalachian State 194.548
    166 Wofford 194.612
    167 Pacific 195.031
    168 FAU 196.653
    169 Fordham 197.214
    170 UAB 197.333
    171 The Citadel 197.448
    172 Santa Clara 197.58
    173 Troy 198.129
    174 Drake 198.137
    175 Gardner-Webb 199.344
    176 NC-Wilmington 199.838
    177 South Alabama 199.896
    178 College of Charleston 200.357
    179 Winthrop
    180 Green Bay 202.064
    181 High Point 202.354
    182 North Alabama 202.413
    183 Loyola-Maryland 202.466
    184 James Madison 202.724
    185 Grand Canyon 203.407
    186 Drexel 203.533
    187 Arkansas State 203.677
    188 Army 204.172
    189 Cal Poly 204.793
    190 Bucknell 205.566
    191 Holy Cross 205.733
    192 FIU 206.111
    193 Florida Gulf Coast 206.258
    194 VMI 206.354
    195 UL-Monroe 206.482
    196 Northeastern 206.607
    197 NJIT 208.344
    198 Belmont 208.354
    199 Coastal Carolina 208.448
    200 Colgate 208.483
    201 Radford 208.888
    202 Tennessee Tech 209.354
    203 Milwaukee 209.464
    204 Oral Roberts 213.034
    205 Northern Kentucky 213.133
    206 Hofstra 214.033
    207 UC-Irvine 214.096
    208 Vermont 214.533
    209 Maine 215.2
    210 Tennessee State 216.4
    211 Cal State-Fullerton 216.483
    212 New Mexico State 216.689
    213 Boston U 216.9
    214 Jacksonville 217.774
    215 Utah Valley 218.87
    216 Stony Brook 219.677
    217 Eastern Washington 220.064
    218 Denver 220.5
    219 Southern Utah 220.586
    220 Youngstown State 220.774
    221 Southeast Missouri State 220.903
    222 Eastern Kentucky 220.935
    223 Central Arkansas 221.433
    224 Charleston Southern 221.758
    225 Lipscomb 221.827
    226 Austin Peay 222.87
    227 Houston Baptist 223.413
    228 American 223.482
    229 Stetson 223.774
    230 Omaha 223.9
    231 Binghamton 224.206
    232 UC-Davis 224.5
    233 Albany 225.741
    234 Cal Baptist 226.166
    235 Wright State 226.758
    236 Presbyterian 227.096
    237 Hawaii 227.535
    238 Montana State 228.096
    239 Weber State 228.379
    240 Hampton 228.645
    241 Campbell 229.333
    242 Texas Southern 232.29
    243 Jacksonville State 233.2
    244 UMass-Lowell 233.354
    245 Fort Wayne 233.838
    246 NC-Asheville 234.586
    247 Montana 235
    248 New Hampshire 235.413
    249 Canisius 235.666
    250 Northern Arizona 235.862
    251 Monmouth 236.225
    252 Texas A&M Corpus-Christi 236.419
    253 Portland State 237
    254 Siena 237.137
    255 South Dakota State 237.193
    256 South Dakota 237.433
    257 Niagara 238.935
    258 Mount Saint Mary’s 239.774
    259 Idaho State 240.206
    260 Liberty 240.357
    261 Hartford 240.612
    262 Florida A&M 241.037
    263 Idaho 241.161
    264 Robert Morris 241.29
    265 Sacramento State 243.724
    266 Central Connecticut 243.933
    267 Murray State 244.535
    268 Fairfield 245.068
    269 UCSB 245.548
    270 Wagner 245.896
    271 Coppin State 247.225
    272 Longwood 247.322
    273 Prairie View A&M 247.766
    274 Saint Francis-PA 248.448
    275 Alabama A&M 249.31
    276 Rider 249.62
    277 Sacred Heart 251
    278 Stephen F. Austin 251.322
    279 Lamar 251.709
    280 Southeastern Louisiana 251.741
    281 Manhattan 251.793
    282 Nicholls State 253.032
    283 Sam Houston State 253.451
    284 New Orleans 253.6
    285 LIU 255.6
    286 Howard 256.806
    287 Bryant 258.096
    288 Northwestern State 260.517
    289 Fairleigh Dickinson 260.586
    290 Quinnipiac 260.931
    291 North Carolina A&T 261.466
    292 McNeese State 262.193
    293 Abilene Christian 263.516
    294 South Carolina State 266.892
    295 Saint Francis-NY 268.6
    296 Marist 269.241
    297 Incarnate Word 270.419
    298 Grambling 272.258
    299 Norfolk State 273.4333
    300 Alcorn State 275.033
    301 Morgan State 275.896
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    Default B1G Only

    9 of 14 B1G Schedules Completed
    1 Purdue 73.333
    2 Michigan State 77.586
    3 Michigan 81.965
    4 Wisconsin 86.7
    5 Northwestern 90.551
    6 Maryland 91.655
    7 Penn State 92.366
    8 Nebraska 101.068
    9 Rutgers 107.967

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    Default Still waiting. ...

    for non-conference schedule releases from:

    Illinois
    Indiana
    Iowa
    Minnesota
    Ohio State

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    3 in the top 10 so far? Good to see the conference scheduling aggressively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedsmaroonandgold View Post
    3 in the top 10 so far? Good to see the conference scheduling aggressively.
    Here's how the non-conference scheduling looks so far, a clear look of how teams are scheduling outside their conference.

    This one I won't update again until all 353 schedules are complete, except for when the Gophers officially announce their complete schedule.

    Average NET of Non-Conference Opponents
    1 Purdue 113.3
    2 North Carolina 114.777
    3 Texas Southern 114.846
    4 Florida 119.181
    5 Auburn 121
    6 Butler 122.583
    7 Central Arkansas 123.4
    8 Seton Hall 126.8
    9 Mississippi State 130.6
    10 Cal 131.416
    11 Oklahoma State 131.583
    12 Nevada 132.4
    13 Tennessee 133.666
    14 Texas 135.333
    15 Kentucky 135.692
    16 Western Kentucky 137
    17 Michigan State 137.777
    18 UT-Arlington 138.545
    19 Georgetown 139.416
    20 Kansas 139.727
    21 Iowa State 142.09
    22 Arizona 142.636
    23 Arizona State 143.25
    24 Temple 143.454
    25 LSU 146.153
    26 Colorado State 150.454
    27 Missouri 151.166
    28 Duke 151.2
    29 Long Beach State 151.357
    30 Michigan 151.555
    31 Utah 152.3
    32 Texas A&M 152.6
    33 West Virginia 154.166
    34 Siena 155.444
    35 Wichita State 156.166
    36 TCU 156.25
    37 Syracuse 156.8
    38 Oakland 157.384
    39 Vermont 158
    40 UNLV 158.538
    41 Washington 160.181
    42 Louisville 160.727
    43 Wisconsin 163.2
    44 Alabama A&M 163.818
    45 USC 164.363
    46 UMass 165.166
    47 Xavier 165.363
    48 Dayton 166.272
    49 UCF 167.2
    50 La Salle 167.5
    51 Georgia 171
    52 San Francisco 171.266
    53 Providence 171.272
    54 Kansas State 172.25
    55 Boston College 173.09
    56 Bradley 174.083
    57 UConn 175.181
    58 Maryland 175.333
    59 Eastern Washington 175.636
    60 Towson 175.9
    61 Wake Forest 176.125
    62 Penn State 176.5
    63 Notre Dame 177.363
    64 Stanford 177.833
    65 Marquette 178.2
    66 Yale 178.266
    T67 Miami-Florida 179
    T67 Virginia 179
    69 Bucknell 179.583
    70 UCLA 180.09
    71 Old Dominion 181.727
    72 Missouri State 182.09
    73 College of Charleston 182.4
    74 Texas A&M-Corpus Christi 182.727
    75 Stony Brook 184
    76 George Mason 184.727
    77 Houston 185
    78 Texas Tech 185.416
    79 Florida State 185.5
    80 Ole Miss 187.5
    81 Oral Roberts 187.692
    82 Fairfield 189.666
    83 Saint Francis-PA 191.09
    84 Central Connecticut 193.333
    85 Northwestern 194.444
    86 Wofford 194.538
    87 Harvard 195.923
    88 Montana 196.272
    89 Indiana State 196.363
    90 Maine 197.428
    91 Texas State 197.545
    92 San Jose State 197.583
    93 Tulsa 201.307
    94 Saint John’s 203.916
    95 Sacred Heart 206.615
    96 Fairleigh Dickinson 209.636
    97 NC-Wilmington 209.923
    98 Appalachian State 210.181
    99 Jacksonville State 210.833
    100 Binghamton 214.615
    101 Rice 215.363
    102 UTEP 215.7
    103 Tulane 216.111
    104 Pitt 216.7
    105 Norfolk State 216.785
    106 James Madison 216.818
    107 Nebraska 217.444
    108 Miami-Ohio 219.09
    109 Boston U 220.916
    110 Columbia 222.2
    111 Brown 222.461
    112 Western Michigan 222.5
    113 Pepperdine 222.666
    114 Stephen F. Austin 223.363
    115 Air Force 225
    116 UMass-Lowell 226.533
    117 Northern Arizona 226.666
    118 Rutgers 228.09
    119 Bryant 228.307
    120 Chattanooga 229
    121 Quinnipiac 229.444
    122 Hampton 231.153
    T123 Arkansas State 234.909
    T123 Wright State 234.909
    125 Hartford 235.785
    126 Washington State 236.545
    127 Murray State 237.9
    128 Charlotte 238.636
    129 Western Carolina 242.181
    130 New Hampshire 242.538
    131 Liberty 244.5
    132 Idaho State 245.111
    133 Sacramento State 248.444
    134 Virginia Tech 255.111
    135 Marist 264.444
    136 VMI 267.461
    137 Santa Clara 271
    138 Cal Baptist 279.071

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    Default Big Ten Only

    10 of 14 B1G Schedules Completed
    1 Purdue 73.333
    2 Michigan State 77.586
    3 Michigan 81.965
    4 Ohio State 85.838
    5 Wisconsin 86.7
    6 Northwestern 90.551
    7 Maryland 91.655
    8 Penn State 92.366
    9 Nebraska 101.068
    10 Rutgers 107.967

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    I appreciate the info, but net rankings still are a terrible metric.

    Team A and Team B play Team C and Team D

    Team A beats both C and D by 1 point.
    Team B beats team C by 10 points but loses to D by 1 point.


    Who had a better two games. Any rating based on logic would put the unbeaten team as the more successful. Any rating based on efficiency would do the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Some guy View Post
    I appreciate the info, but net rankings still are a terrible metric.

    Team A and Team B play Team C and Team D

    Team A beats both C and D by 1 point.
    Team B beats team C by 10 points but loses to D by 1 point.


    Who had a better two games. Any rating based on logic would put the unbeaten team as the more successful. Any rating based on efficiency would do the opposite.
    Two games is a small sample size. SS said based on last years whole body of work. It is a fact that the best teams were most efficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Two games is a small sample size. SS said based on last years whole body of work. It is a fact that the best teams were most efficient.
    You can believe this all you want, and logic would seem to follow, but the weight of the variables in NET are wrong. Efficiency tends to correlate with better teams, but the example shows the problem with the NET rankings. Actual wins matter more than efficiency. If the fundamental logic is flawed, sample size will not fix it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Some guy View Post
    I appreciate the info, but net rankings still are a terrible metric.

    Team A and Team B play Team C and Team D

    Team A beats both C and D by 1 point.
    Team B beats team C by 10 points but loses to D by 1 point.


    Who had a better two games. Any rating based on logic would put the unbeaten team as the more successful. Any rating based on efficiency would do the opposite.
    It’s the ranking system they use, so it’s the one I’m using here. It’s not an endorsement. Chill, my man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    You can believe this all you want, and logic would seem to follow, but the weight of the variables in NET are wrong. Efficiency tends to correlate with better teams, but the example shows the problem with the NET rankings. Actual wins matter more than efficiency. If the fundamental logic is flawed, sample size will not fix it.


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    Actual wins are the result of efficient play. You can not win if your opponent is more efficient than you are. OE and DE are the measures in a game that result on the points you score and those you give up. Two mediocre teams can and often play poorly. If they play each other one of them wins . If a good team plays at Duke and it was a incredible well played game it will be measured for that. Why not, to me it means nothing if a team ranked 50th wins against a team ranked 300th and both turn it over 25 times. The winner of that game is not better than a team that lost closely in a well played game at a top ranked team. Since everybody can not play everyone they needed a tool to differentiate. I would love a world where everyone could play everyone home and away but the best teams would be the ones that played the best most often. It would look very much how Kenpom looked after last season, or NET or conference standings, or the NCAA tourney.

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    Default Overall Strength of Schedule (SOS) Based On Last Season's Final NET Rankings

    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Actual wins are the result of efficient play. You can not win if your opponent is more efficient than you are. OE and DE are the measures in a game that result on the points you score and those you give up. Two mediocre teams can and often play poorly. If they play each other one of them wins . If a good team plays at Duke and it was a incredible well played game it will be measured for that. Why not, to me it means nothing if a team ranked 50th wins against a team ranked 300th and both turn it over 25 times. The winner of that game is not better than a team that lost closely in a well played game at a top ranked team. Since everybody can not play everyone they needed a tool to differentiate. I would love a world where everyone could play everyone home and away but the best teams would be the ones that played the best most often. It would look very much how Kenpom looked after last season, or NET or conference standings, or the NCAA tourney.
    Sports are played to determine who actually wins, not who is technically the best team. Usually the better team wins, but not always!

    If the earlier example was about B1G conference games, the team that is 2-0 is better than the team that is 1-1. And as you always say: you need to have above .500 conference records to judge a team/coach. But NET ranking would have the 1-1 team above the 2-0 team. OK, so you say the sample size is too small. Just extend the example where the one team ends up 10-0 and wins by 1 point every game, where the second team ends up 7-3 winning by 10 points and losing by 1 point. Which team plays for the conference championship, gets seeded higher in the tourney, etc...

    Team efficiencies can be an indicator of how good a team is, but it needs to be held into context. And just because NET includes some OE and DE in its calculations doesn’t mean that it does it correctly. NET was just one of the rankings used last year, but it was not the primary source. Rightfully so, there were some higher NET ranked teams left out of the tournament.


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    Of course the best team does not always win a given game. I value wins as much as anyone alive. Note the high standard i hold for success. It holds only character and winning. The best coaches are tracking all kinds of data but the one that defines success is efficiency. The NET has its flaws but it has to be used to bridge the game on all the teams that never play each other. This staff now is placing its attention to efficiency, not the NET. If you do great in efficiency then NET is taking care of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Of course the best team does not always win a given game. I value wins as much as anyone alive. Note the high standard i hold for success. It holds only character and winning. The best coaches are tracking all kinds of data but the one that defines success is efficiency. The NET has its flaws but it has to be used to bridge the game on all the teams that never play each other. This staff now is placing its attention to efficiency, not the NET. If you do great in efficiency then NET is taking care of.
    agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Two games is a small sample size. SS said based on last years whole body of work. It is a fact that the best teams were most efficient.
    That is not always the case.
    On average, efficiency in all of the games will lead to winning records.
    In individual cases it may be completely flawed.


    It is funny you say that the reason my example is bad is too small of a sample a size. Because a 30 game schedule to judge 350 teams is exactly why efficiency is a bad metric to use as the primary ranker of teams. Too small of a sample size.
    In a sample size that small, things like wins, winning percentage, and SOS are more reliable to judge quality of accomplishment than point margins.


    If all the ncaa teams played everyone, efficiency would be a better metric.

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