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    Quote Originally Posted by hungan1 View Post
    If the Gophers start winning, recruiting will improve to the point where the Gophers someday will win a title. It may be a challenge to keep him here.

    However, his family has a big pull on that decision. Should he decide truly that this is where they are going to set permanent roots, it will mean that the football program will have long term stability it has not seen in ages. The Gophers will have to consider improving the pay of the assistant coaches so that they too would want to be here long term. At least those who are not aspiring to be head coaches and want to stay put.
    Making him feel wanted would help. Thank god the coaches don’t read GH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highwayman View Post
    Making him feel wanted would help. Thank god the coaches don’t read GH.
    I’d be willing to bet that’s an intern job
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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    everybody is committed - until they aren't.

    Seriously, this is part of the coaching profession you just have to accept. Every new job is "the job of a lifetime." It's "the place I want to be for the rest of my career." And then, big-name school X comes calling with a big-time deal, and everything changes.

    Sure, there are coaches who stay at the same place for a long time, but I would say there are more coaches who job-hop their way up the ladder.

    As others have noted, if Fleck would leave for another job, that would probably mean that he has won at least a conference title or more at MN. Which would make MN a more attractive spot for the next coach.

    If Fleck does leave, the next coach will be inheriting a better situation. It's not like Fleck leaves, and the Gophers fall back to 3- and 4-win seasons.

    So, I see it as a win-win situation. Unless you think Fleck is the only coach in the world who is capable of winning at MN.
    It's definitely possible that we could fall back to 3-4 win seasons if Fleck has success and bolts and we make a bad hire. I mean Pelini won either 9 or 10 games all of his 6 years as a HC and Nebraska now has had back to back 4 win seasons and Nebraska is of course a much better program than us. Even Ohio State had a 6-7 season with Fickell after Tressell left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highwayman View Post
    Making him feel wanted would help. Thank god the coaches don’t read GH.
    If he wins he’ll be the toast of the town. If he’s mediocre or crashes and burns he’ll be ridden out of town on a rail. He didn’t get to where he is by having thin skin. Get a grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNVCGUY View Post
    Ever since Lou Holtz Gopher fans have lived in constant fear of their coach being stolen away even though it almost never happens to us (across all sports). The assumption many make about Fleck is that he will jump ship at the first chance for bigger and better things....it is a fair assumption given that it does happen in coaching but it rarely happens with power 5 head coaches.

    If he has success here and the administration shows a willingness to pay a competitive salary (something they have started doing) there is every reason to believe that Fleck is someone who would commit for the long haul. His program is built around his brand and things like that take time to establish and really ingrain into the culture.

    If he has success and bolts he then has to start the whole process over. In order to get him to leave Minnesota it would almost have to be for a helmet school and those places are much less likely to let him build his brand or be patient while he gets things going.

    I have no clue how it will all play out but I can easily see Fleck going the Ferentz, Fitzgerald, Dantonio route and staying here for a long long time.
    Exactly. In the past 32 years no coach of the major men's sports has left without being asked to by the U or by their doctors. Clem stayed after the Final Four. Lucia stayed after winning nattys. Tubby turned down some big programs. Minnesota took a basketball coach off of Kentucky and poached a football coach that just turned down Georgia. Even our successful wrestling and baseball coaches stayed forever. We're fine.
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    We better raise ticket prices so we can pay him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by die hard gopher View Post
    It's definitely possible that we could fall back to 3-4 win seasons if Fleck has success and bolts and we make a bad hire. I mean Pelini won either 9 or 10 games all of his 6 years as a HC and Nebraska now has had back to back 4 win seasons and Nebraska is of course a much better program than us. Even Ohio State had a 6-7 season with Fickell after Tressell left.
    Yeah Glen Mason left a decent situation in his wake and the next year was 1-11. Thanks, Tim Brewster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pompous Elitist View Post
    If he wins he’ll be the toast of the town. If he’s mediocre or crashes and burns he’ll be ridden out of town on a rail. He didn’t get to where he is by having thin skin. Get a grip.
    Amen to that...with speaking engagements he's probably pulling in $4 million a year in income. House in Edina and one on Lake Minnetonka. I don't think he gives a second thought to any perceived criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highwayman View Post
    Making him feel wanted would help. Thank god the coaches donít read GH.
    Maybe you could teach them that ignore trick first so they can read safely.


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    Let's see; if I understand correctly, the worry would be as follows:

    If Fleck builds a successful program here, he'll leave for a bigger, better opportunity. Have I got that right?

    Assuming I have, I have a question or two for the worried people.

    If Fleck makes Minnesota into a winner and a B1G/national contender, how many 'bigger, better' jobs are out there? Would you rather raise your kids in L.A., or South Bend, or Tuscaloosa? Remember, in our scenario Minnesota is a B1G title contender.

    Please name me the programs that would fit the bill. It must be: bigger than a B1G title contender, and a better place to raise your kids.

    Oh, and one more thing: any school he would go to would probably be a rebuilding project... right? Otherwise, there wouldn't be a coaching vacancy (unless some successful coach was retiring).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RememberMurray View Post
    Let's see; if I understand correctly, the worry would be as follows:

    If Fleck builds a successful program here, he'll leave for a bigger, better opportunity. Have I got that right?

    Assuming I have, I have a question or two for the worried people.

    If Fleck makes Minnesota into a winner and a B1G/national contender, how many 'bigger, better' jobs are out there? Would you rather raise your kids in L.A., or South Bend, or Tuscaloosa? Remember, in our scenario Minnesota is a B1G title contender.

    Please name me the programs that would fit the bill. It must be: bigger than a B1G title contender, and a better place to raise your kids.

    Oh, and one more thing: any school he would go to would probably be a rebuilding project... right? Otherwise, there wouldn't be a coaching vacancy (unless some successful coach was retiring).
    Well hopefully PJ doesn't read Highwayman's posts about how awful the weather is here or we will probably lose him to Arizona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schnauzer View Post
    Women's basketball is calling on line one. Something about disagreeing with your statement. Softball is holding on line two.
    I do recall the women's basketball situation, can't speak to anything about softball. But if those are the only examples it proves my point that it doesn't happen very often at all and especially at the key sports like Football, Hockey and Basketball.

    Maybe it is more common at the non-revenue sports, don't pay any attention to them so not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salzie View Post
    I'll worry about him leaving after he gets another natty
    No way he leaves if he wins a Natty!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Schnauzer View Post
    There are two things at play here. first is the success on the field that is required to be a target for other Universities. He appears to be on a path to success here so it is reasonable to assume other universities will come calling. But that is just assumptions for now. He still needs to make a splash far more impactful than 8 or even 9 regular season wins.

    The second variable is how much he and his family feel fulfilled here in the Twin Cities. The article talks about "long term commitment" and the charitable opportunities, and talks about a young family needing roots to form. That all bodes well for staying here for a time period longer than the first wave of success.

    Of course anything could happen, I get that, but I do find it encouraging the Flecks have purchased not one but two houses here. He appears to love lake culture (had a big "cabin" on a lake in Michigan prior to taking the Gopher job, and it was featured prominently in the "being PJ Fleck" documentary). PJ seems to love boating, jet ski, etc. and he is in one of the best places in the country for that lifestyle, with a setup that allows him to do all that within an easy drive to Dinkytown.

    So, there is at least some evidence he has put his money where his mouth is in terms of what he has described as a long term stay in this job. All that can change when Notre Dame comes knocking so we'll see how he holds up when the expected success happens. Most people assume he will bolt at the earliest possible moment but that is the Minnesota sports fan way: to assume the worst. What would a Rose Bowl do to the purse strings and the fan base? There would be a LOT of local pressure to have the University step up and reward the guy that FINALLY brought the program back to its mighty glory days.

    Lots of guessing. Lots needs to happen first: starting with the hardest part: a Rose Bowl or the CFP. Then a huge opportunity would have to come knocking, then the U would have to have their say in a new contract, then we'd all finally find out if PJ really does envision staying here a long time.
    My thought at the time was that Lake Minnetonka house purchase was a big deal for the family and that is not the sort of thing you can get at most other places. If they pay Fleck and he thinks he can win here, he may stay. For those that like the lake life, Lake Minnetonka is sort of the Malibu type experience, as Randy Moss and Kevin G seemed to appreciate as well.

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    Hope so, we could use a long term commitment - and a successful one.

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