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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    The entirety of the negative consequences in the story is because the guy didn’t have insurance and didnt have any money. Very easily could’ve been the exact same with a citizen.

    The only additional detail, if we actually choose to believe it, is that the police refused to make a criminal case against the person.

    While justice is certainly nice, putting him in jail would’ve done nothing for the daughter or her family.
    Yeah, the answer should’ve been, we’ll be turning him over to ICE for deportation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    Pretty sure his injury wasnít as bad as herís. Iíd ask if youíve ever been rear ended, but I think I know the answer.

    Is it only illegals that do roofing work? You donít think US citizens do.
    The illegals will do the work for less $$ because they need the work. Wait a sec...are you soliciting for the job PM me if you want to bid it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodasGold View Post
    The illegals will do the work for less $$ because they need the work. Wait a sec...are you soliciting for the job PM me if you want to bid it.
    How do you know they’re doing it for less? Are you stiffing illegals b/c of their immigration status? Cheapskate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    My wife and I were out with friends the other night. My wife relayed a story to me of our friendís daughter who had been in an accident. She stopped at an intersection for a red light. She was rear ended by a car traveling at 45 mph. She was very fortunate as the car was significantly damaged, but she has only experienced concussion symptoms and some physical symptoms that have lasted for months.

    It turns out that the driver of the car that struck her was driven by an illegal Hispanic immigrant, who also had suffered physical injuries that required medical care. They were both taken to the same hospital and treated in the same ER very near one another.

    The investigating police officers told the parents that they would not be filing charges against the illegal. He had no insurance, no drivers license, they didnít test for DUI, and they further said that filing a civil suit would be purposeless b/c he had no financial means. And obviously, they didnít concern themselves with notifying ICE.

    I donít know why they wouldnít charge him with something, but they apparently feel itís a no win situation by temporarily jailing someone that is here illegally.

    To cap it off, the hospital charged the parents of the daughter with the medical bill for the illegal that had hit her car. They explained that that is standard for them in an allegedly ďno faultĒ accident when one of the patients had no health insurance. They only removed those charges b/c the parents made the effort to object.

    IMO, incidents like this demonstrate that the deleterious effects of illegal immigration are very likely understated b/c law enforcement feels attempting to enforce the law against non-citizen illegals that have no financial means and no way of reimbursing the victims for damages is a pointless and costly exercise.

    Weíve all heard the stories of accident victims dying b/c of an illegal driving drunk. Itís pretty common. Fortunately, that wasnít the end result here, but it couldíve been. However, having an underclass of illegal young men working and earning some money without respect for the people around them and that may see little value in life, including theirs, is an accident waiting to happen.
    I agree that the guy should be in jail, no matter his immigration status if he committed a crime. However, what is your basis for the bold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodasGold View Post
    The illegals will do the work for less $$ because they need the work. Wait a sec...are you soliciting for the job PM me if you want to bid it.
    Can you get a TV with Fox News up on the roof? He may work for free!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    The entirety of the negative consequences in the story is because the guy didn’t have insurance and didnt have any money. Very easily could’ve been the exact same with a citizen.

    The only additional detail, if we actually choose to believe it, is that the police refused to make a criminal case against the person.

    While justice is certainly nice, putting him in jail would’ve done nothing for the daughter or her family.
    It looks like we view the purpose of jail time differently. Rather than for the revenge factor, I believe that it is primarily designed to act as a deterrent to future criminal behavior, both from the perspective of the perpetrator and others who might commit a similar crime in the future.

    This man was on the wrong side of the law from the start, as he came into the country illegally, while millions of others have gone through the process of becoming legal citizens. This situation is not nearly as likely to occur with a legal US citizen, as he was also driving illegally (without a license).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    How do you know they’re doing it for less? Are you stiffing illegals b/c of their immigration status? Cheapskate!
    Supply and demand; a simple construct which applies universally to pricing - particularly labor costs. And certainly their immigration status plays into the equation. They are after all, desperate. I don’t consider myself cheap; I’m simply a Good businessman. And neither am I cruel - my workers will be provided with ice water and lard sandwiches at my expense!
    Btw have you ever read the story of how the president built his Atlantic City casino for minimal cost it’s a great story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    I agree that the guy should be in jail, no matter his immigration status if he committed a crime. However, what is your basis for the bold?
    You don’t think many illegals are an underclass? Isn’t that what GaG is pointing out?

    Regarding illegals and DUIs:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...ns%3f_amp=true

    ICE arrested more than 80,000 illegal immigrants in 2018 with DUI charges, convictions

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    You don’t think many illegals are an underclass? Isn’t that what GaG is pointing out?

    Regarding illegals and DUIs:
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...ns%3f_amp=true

    ICE arrested more than 80,000 illegal immigrants in 2018 with DUI charges, convictions
    What does that have to do with them having no regard for their lives or the lives of others? Do you think that of poor people generally?

    What % of illegals get a DUI and how does it compare with Men 18-35 generally? (Honest question I don't know the answer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gopherlife View Post
    It looks like we view the purpose of jail time differently. Rather than for the revenge factor, I believe that it is primarily designed to act as a deterrent to future criminal behavior, both from the perspective of the perpetrator and others who might commit a similar crime in the future.

    This man was on the wrong side of the law from the start, as he came into the country illegally, while millions of others have gone through the process of becoming legal citizens. This situation is not nearly as likely to occur with a legal US citizen, as he was also driving illegally (without a license).
    You have any shred of proof that illegal immigrants drivers are more likely than citizens to drive under the influence??

    If anything, itís less likely, as they wonít want to get in trouble with immigration police.
    Last edited by Gophers_4life; 07-15-2019 at 11:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    Yeah, the answer should’ve been, we’ll be turning him over to ICE for deportation.
    I do not support illegal immigration.

    If an illegal immigrant is charged with and convicted of DUI, he should indeed be turned over to immigration police.



    The issue with your story, of course, is that while it’s obvious that all of the negative consequences depicted by it are entirely and completely decoupled from illegal immigration — none of them have anything to do with immigration at all, legal or illegal — your story lies and tried to pretend that they are.

    Done on purpose, to try to sway weak minds with a folksy ballad of misfortune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    You have any shrewd of proof that illegal immigrants drivers are more likely than citizens to drive under the influence??

    If anything, it’s less likely, as they won’t want to get in trouble with immigration police.
    Who said anything about driving under the influence?? I certainly didn't right there. I said that he was driving illegally, in as much as he did not have a license...most legal US citizens that drive would have one of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    What does that have to do with them having no regard for their lives or the lives of others? Do you think that of poor people generally?

    What % of illegals get a DUI and how does it compare with Men 18-35 generally? (Honest question I don't know the answer).
    And that statistic was the ones that were charged and reported. What about ones like the example I gave?

    I didn’t relate that to “poor people”, you are assuming that.

    I think it’s apparent that a US citizen, poor or not, has a lot more negative consequences as the result of a DUI, like revoking a drivers license, increased insurance rates, criminal charges and record, jail, impact on employment, etc., most of which wouldn’t concern an illegal.

    If those consequences didn’t apply to US citizen “men 18-35”, I suspect that they may have a similar rate of disregard for the laws and respect/concern for others.

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    yes, there are people here illegally who break the law. There are also people here illegally who go to work every day and support their families - and in many cases, send a chunk of their income back to their home country to help relatives.

    and, FWIW, in many cases, the people who hire illegals know they're illegal, and hire them anyway. that is part of the issue. Illegal X comes to US, gets a job, and tells his relatives to come to the US where they have good jobs. If "X" came here and could not find a job, he might tell his relatives it's not worth the effort to come here, because there are no jobs.

    Look, there is no dispute that our immigration laws and systems are a mess. they need to be fixed. but, the two parties cannot or will not work together to fix the problem. at this point, I suspect that each party would rather have the political issue, as opposed to doing the hard work to fix the problem.

    It's like the politicians who always talk about fixing the budget by getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse. People talk about it, but they don't do anything. the same is true with immigration. about the only thing anyone agrees on is "deporting illegals who commit crimes."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    You have any shred of proof that illegal immigrants drivers are more likely than citizens to drive under the influence??

    If anything, it’s less likely, as they won’t want to get in trouble with immigration police.
    In the example I gave, the police didn’t check for DUI and he didn’t get “in trouble with immigration police”.

    At least those police have apparently have given up trying to deal with illegal immigrants.

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