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    Quote Originally Posted by hungan1 View Post
    PJ Fleck must have expected this level of attrition.
    Hmm. Fleck = Expected; previous HCs = Unexpected. Did I get that right?

    Fleck has said multiple times he wants larger, near full upper classes. Which is it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pregameatblarneys View Post
    Can you really count Alex, as he had a medical issue that forced him to retire?

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    I'm just including all for whatever reason.

    The debates can take place on reasons for all of them, but I just wanted to start out with the cleanest slate for comparing numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PMWinSTP View Post
    Hmm. Fleck = Expected; previous HCs = Unexpected. Did I get that right?

    Fleck has said multiple times he wants larger, near full upper classes. Which is it?
    Yeh, I don't know if there is a right or a wrong way to do this, but it's becoming more apparent in college football that attrition rates will only increase now and into the future.
    The 2015 class which would be redshirt-seniors this year had huge attrition and that was part of why our team was young last year and this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Face The Facts View Post
    Yeh, I don't know if there is a right or a wrong way to do this, but it's becoming more apparent in college football that attrition rates will only increase now and into the future.
    The 2015 class which would be redshirt-seniors this year had huge attrition and that was part of why our team was young last year and this year.
    Well, something has to give. Very hard to keep any significant number of RS all five years. The freshman class right now is at 31 scholarships.

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    If this trend of greater player movement continues, in another 10-15 years, the player who spends 5 years with the same program may become an endangered species.

    Which is neither good nor bad. times change, and sports change with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    If this trend of greater player movement continues, in another 10-15 years, the player who spends 5 years with the same program may become an endangered species.

    Which is neither good nor bad. times change, and sports change with them.
    You have opposing factors that will drive it.

    If a player is too talented, they will transfer if they are told to wait before they can start.
    If they are too talented and stay, they won't redshirt and / or they'll opt for NFL draft early.
    If they redshirt and and end up playing, and aren't that good, your coach is probably on the way out.


    The O-Line and D-Line would be the main exceptions yet where a fifth year would be more common (or injury as was the case with our RS Seniors Smith and Brooks).

    We have 5 RS Seniors that started with us as freshmen
    Smith - injury
    Brooks - injury
    Delattiboudere - DL
    Herbers - specialist
    Renner - DL
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    I would be surprised if their was as much attrition as the 2015 class in either of these 2 classes. Coaching changes create a lot of attrition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btowngopher View Post
    I would be surprised if their was as much attrition as the 2015 class in either of these 2 classes. Coaching changes create a lot of attrition.
    Which two classes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMWinSTP View Post
    Which two classes?
    17 and 18. As long as their isn't another coaching change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btowngopher View Post
    17 and 18. As long as their isn't another coaching change.
    Again, something has to give. With RS, those two underclasses are big. That 2017 class is seven down from signing and will need to get a lot smaller if Fleck wants to recruit full classes. If they stay, his recruiting classes will be small by necessity. 60 of the 85 scholarships are occupied by the current Fr/So classes.
    Last edited by PMWinSTP; 07-14-2019 at 08:52 PM. Reason: typo - 70 instead of 60 corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMWinSTP View Post
    Hmm. Fleck = Expected; previous HCs = Unexpected. Did I get that right?

    Fleck has said multiple times he wants larger, near full upper classes. Which is it?
    You just answered your own question, by taking larger classes you gave to have attrition one way or another, it's not a bad thing. Just like any student can get booted for having ****ty grades, anyone can be "encouraged" to move on for not being good enough to see the field

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    Quote Originally Posted by bemidjigopher View Post
    You just answered your own question, by taking larger classes you gave to have attrition one way or another, it's not a bad thing. Just like any student can get booted for having ****ty grades, anyone can be "encouraged" to move on for not being good enough to see the field

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    No, I did not. If fleck wants larger upper classes, meaning less attrition, he has to have smaller recruiting classes. He has stated he wants near full upper classes...meaning junior and senior classes.Can't have both.

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    The landscape is changing with the transfer portal and other new realities in D1 Football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PMWinSTP View Post
    Again, something has to give. With RS, those two underclasses are big. That 2017 class is seven down from signing and will need to get a lot smaller if Fleck wants to recruit full classes. If they stay, his recruiting classes will be small by necessity. 60 of the 85 scholarships are occupied by the current Fr/So classes.
    Right, I think recruiting 25+ classes every year is what is going to give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Face The Facts View Post
    I'm just including all for whatever reason.

    The debates can take place on reasons for all of them, but I just wanted to start out with the cleanest slate for comparing numbers.
    I know he was technically not a Fleck recruit, but Neil McLaurin was a 2017 recruit. Fleck could not get him out of here fast enough.

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