2019 Roster Updated


The 2019 updated roster is looking pretty good, don't you think?
 

Stating the obvious - evaluating a 16 or 17-year old kid, and projecting his or her potential - is NOT an exact science. Some kids peak earlier - other kids mature later. Some kids stall out for athletic reasons - some stall out for social or emotional or off-field reasons.

bottom line - you have 80+ kids on a college football roster. only 22 can start.

some positions, like O-Line, it's not unusual for a player to need time to develop. But at RB or WR, a talented player can step right in and produce, given the opportunity. gopher fans saw that last year with Ibrahim.

If Edmonds saw himself sliding down the depth chart, and decided to leave, I wish him the best. Whether the coaches played any role in the decision, I can't say.

But, barring some off-field scandal, I don't see coaches "pulling" scholarships against the players' wishes. at least not at a program like MN.
 

General managers of professional football teams love to churn the bottom of their rosters, hoping to improve the overall talent. There is little doubt this is also the goal of good football programs, to improve their overall rosters. If player A can be replaced by player B with little drop off, the team should win more games.
 

General managers of professional football teams love to churn the bottom of their rosters, hoping to improve the overall talent. There is little doubt this is also the goal of good football programs, to improve their overall rosters. If player A can be replaced by player B with little drop off, the team should win more games.

Would prefer not to sell my soul in the college ranks.


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Sorry, but there’s a difference between telling kids you will always recruit other players to challenge them for playing time or starting positions, and encouraging them to leave. Loyalty is a two way street. You sell a kid that leaving home to come to the U is their best option because there will be great opportunity here academically, spiritually, etc. If you as a coach are unable to assist the player to develop, who is otherwise meeting his end of the agreement (working his tail off in the weight room, on the practice field, in the classroom and in the community) then that’s on the coaches- either for inability to to help the player advance or for poor assessment of the players ceiling. For those kids, if they really want to play then we owe them assistance to find a place where they have a better shot at seeing the field. However, if they came here in large part for the community, education and opportunities offered by the U, then in my opinion we owe them that opportunity.


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I'd agree, but an honest conversation of we don't think you'll ever play, so if that is important to you, you'll need to look elsewhere is a problem either

if they say that's ok, I'm cool doing all i can in practice and want to remain, they should remain
 


Tell that to the coaches who get fired if they don't win in the first 3 or 4 years.
At least they get to make millions of dollars for those 3 or 4 years.

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I'd agree, but an honest conversation of we don't think you'll ever play, so if that is important to you, you'll need to look elsewhere is a problem either

if they say that's ok, I'm cool doing all i can in practice and want to remain, they should remain

Agree completely.


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I'd agree, but an honest conversation of we don't think you'll ever play, so if that is important to you, you'll need to look elsewhere is a problem either

if they say that's ok, I'm cool doing all i can in practice and want to remain, they should remain

I have seen very few examples that show players aren't allowed to remain if they would like to.
 



I have seen very few examples that show players aren't allowed to remain if they would like to.

True- but what kid is gonna “rat out” a coach when they hope the coach will help them find a lesser place to land?


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There are well documented ways in the business world to “help” an unwanted employee leave on their own. 100% effective? No, but pretty darn effective. Technically their choice, but did they really have one?

CFB is big business - it isn’t all rainbows and butterflies.


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True- but what kid is gonna “rat out” a coach when they hope the coach will help them find a lesser place to land?


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Do any of us really know how involved the coach really is when a kid is looking for a new college? And what's to stop the kid from ratting out the coach as soon as he lands somewhere else?
 

Do any of us really know how involved the coach really is when a kid is looking for a new college? And what's to stop the kid from ratting out the coach as soon as he lands somewhere else?

Bingo
 

<b>Do any of us really know how involved the coach really is when a kid is looking for a new college? </b>And what's to stop the kid from ratting out the coach as soon as he lands somewhere else?

Fairly safe to assume virtually every ‘new’ program calls the ‘old’ program before accepting the transfer. Like a personal reference. I’d say the ‘old’ school’s coach can play a big role in looking for a ‘new’ school.



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If so, that's something rather new. Here's a quote from this reference on college scholarships:

"An athletic scholarship cannot be guaranteed for four years. NCAA institutions offer one-year college scholarships that can be renewable annually. At the end of each year, athletics-based aid may be canceled or reduced for any reason."

Scholarships are guaranteed for five years if you sign a NLI. Here's a source: https://informedathlete.com/the-facts-about-guaranteed-multi-year-ncaa-di-scholarships/

I'm nearly certain the B1G had been doing it for a few years prior as others have said.

That said, I'm not naive enough to think coaches don't have ways to "convince" players to leave. Though I am guessing a lot of it is the "son, you know you're never going to see the field, right?" Most kids have enough pride to want to get somewhere else, where they can compete.

In the case of Nolan Edmonds, he medically retired and is staying at the U as a medical non-counter. He is not transferring. https://www.thedailygopher.com/2019...-running-back-nolan-edmonds-medically-retires
 

Scholarships are guaranteed for five years if you sign a NLI. Here's a source: https://informedathlete.com/the-facts-about-guaranteed-multi-year-ncaa-di-scholarships/

I'm nearly certain the B1G had been doing it for a few years prior as others have said.

That said, I'm not naive enough to think coaches don't have ways to "convince" players to leave. Though I am guessing a lot of it is the "son, you know you're never going to see the field, right?" Most kids have enough pride to want to get somewhere else, where they can compete.

In the case of Nolan Edmonds, he medically retired and is staying at the U as a medical non-counter. He is not transferring. https://www.thedailygopher.com/2019...-running-back-nolan-edmonds-medically-retires

There is nothing wrong with being up front with the players that are buried deep in the depth chart. But, it has to be their decision to transfer or to stay. Some may be comfortable being bench or practice squad players who really love the U and want to stay and graduate.
 

There is nothing wrong with being up front with the players that are buried deep in the depth chart. But, it has to be their decision to transfer or to stay. Some may be comfortable being bench or practice squad players who really love the U and want to stay and graduate.

Is it legally the players decision?
 




Yes, walk-ons that get scholarships can get them pulled. Those are year to year. Only NLI players are guaranteed. But the majority of the transfers have been NLI players...

I'm not sure the player interviewed is correct about specialists "splitting" scholarships between fall and spring. I'm nearly certain both would count toward the 85 in that scenario. Then again, it is the SEC, so who knows if it happened regardless...
 

Yes, walk-ons that get scholarships can get them pulled. Those are year to year. Only NLI players are guaranteed.

Understood. However, I thought the debate was about if/if not scholarships get pulled and not about if/if not it can be done.

We all agree NLI players can’t have their scholarships pulled - which is why we have discussed being “pushed out”.


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