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    Someone mentioned quarterback play as a key factor and that is spot on. Do the Gophers have the quarterback to take them to the next level?


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    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoRedux View Post
    Someone mentioned quarterback play as a key factor and that is spot on. Do the Gophers have the quarterback to take them to the next level?
    How do we define "the next level"?

    Yes, QB play is crucial. No doubt about that. But football is still a team sport. Example: after the coordinator change, the defense played so much better it was almost shocking. And with the defense playing better and the o-line improved (Faalele) and Ibrahim and Bryce running well, the team overall picked up their game.

    "The next level": in my opinion, the wins over Purdue, Wisconsin and Georgia Tech were representative of a definite level up (next level) from where the team was in 2017 and the first half of 2018.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RememberMurray View Post
    How do we define "the next level"?

    Yes, QB play is crucial. No doubt about that. But football is still a team sport. Example: after the coordinator change, the defense played so much better it was almost shocking. And with the defense playing better and the o-line improved (Faalele) and Ibrahim and Bryce running well, the team overall picked up their game.

    "The next level": in my opinion, the wins over Purdue, Wisconsin and Georgia Tech were representative of a definite level up (next level) from where the team was in 2017 and the first half of 2018.
    Well the next level depends on what level we are on. Compared to now I think Mason and Kill both got us to the next level. I think we want to get to the level after that. Bad seasons still result in bowl games and good seasons are 10+ wins. B1G West titles happen at least once a decade which means we are playing for the title every ten years. To me that is the next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComoGopher View Post
    Well the next level depends on what level we are on. Compared to now I think Mason and Kill both got us to the next level. I think we want to get to the level after that. Bad seasons still result in bowl games and good seasons are 10+ wins. B1G West titles happen at least once a decade which means we are playing for the title every ten years. To me that is the next level.
    ????????????

    So, if speaking specifically, you would define "the next level" as...

    A 10 win season?

    A B1G West title?

    Playing for B1G West title? (I think we actually achieved this one, in 2014)

    Playing for B1G title?

    Any and all of the above?
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    I would say the "next level" would include some consistency.

    Under Mason, the Gophers had a 10-win season, but could not sustain that level and dropped back.

    Under Kill and Claeys, the Gophers went 8 wins, 8 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins - and then the team dropped back to 5 wins.

    So, I would say that the "next level" would mean having 9 wins or better for - let's say - at least 3 or 4 years in a row. winning consistently.

    And THEN, after that, the "next level" would mean a Division title and playing for a conference title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by short ornery norwegian View Post
    I would say the "next level" would include some consistency.

    Under Mason, the Gophers had a 10-win season, but could not sustain that level and dropped back.

    Under Kill and Claeys, the Gophers went 8 wins, 8 wins, 6 wins, 9 wins - and then the team dropped back to 5 wins.

    So, I would say that the "next level" would mean having 9 wins or better for - let's say - at least 3 or 4 years in a row. winning consistently.

    And THEN, after that, the "next level" would mean a Division title and playing for a conference title.
    After the 9 win season, Claeys was fired. The 5 win season that followed was under Fleck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RememberMurray View Post
    After the 9 win season, Claeys was fired. The 5 win season that followed was under Fleck.
    True, similar situation to the 5 win regular season under Kill/Claeys following the 8 win seasons under Kill.

    Doesn’t really matter who the coach is the past 30 years...mediocre programs have a tough time putting two good seasons in a row.

    The gophers have had one season with better than 2/3 of regular season games won since 2000 (2003)....2 since 1990 (1999 and 2003)...5 since 1960 (60, 61, 67, 99, 03).
    Haven’t had back to back since 60-61.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    Exactly. It is comical how one can talk with such authority when they know so little. Anyone can just look at the record and make predictions without digging a little into the details.


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    Yep, most national guys are just looking at box scores and reading game recaps but don't really dig deep into the details. It is easy to look at our season last year from the outside and just think we got hot at the end of the year and it isn't sustainable. Of course if you dig deeper you see direct reasons for why the fortunes of the team changed over that final stretch and you also see definite reasons to believe it wasn't a fluke and is in fact sustainable.

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    I think the same people who down play the last few games for th3 gophers are also giving kudoo's to Neby for their end of the season run

    Please try to use the same logic in everything, dont be fooled by Nebraska's 30 year old history. the gophers have been there too! its hard to get back what you once lost. I think wisconsin is on the same slope down its just a few years away if they keep Chryst around

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleB View Post
    I think the same people who down play the last few games for th3 gophers are also giving kudoo's to Neby for their end of the season run

    Please try to use the same logic in everything, dont be fooled by Nebraska's 30 year old history. the gophers have been there too! its hard to get back what you once lost. I think wisconsin is on the same slope down its just a few years away if they keep Chryst around
    Chryst had a top 30 class in 2019 and looks to have another in 2020. 27-8 in B1G. He's not going anywhere, nor are the Badgers. How about Gophs just get good enough to beat a good Badger or Husker team 50% of the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMWinSTP View Post
    Chryst had a top 30 class in 2019 and looks to have another in 2020. 27-8 in B1G. He's not going anywhere, nor are the Badgers. How about Gophs just get good enough to beat a good Badger or Husker team 50% of the time?
    time will tell but I cant tell if your a troll or just Chryst lover I can tell you his coaching is not very good and his program is heading in the opposite direction. in fact It would not surprise me if hes on the hot seat by the end of the year

    you can be in denial all you want but when it happens come back and buy me a beer

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMWinSTP View Post
    Chryst had a top 30 class in 2019 and looks to have another in 2020. 27-8 in B1G. He's not going anywhere, nor are the Badgers. How about Gophs just get good enough to beat a good Badger or Husker team 50% of the time?
    AGREED!

    Hey, I have overall hopes for this program that are as sky-high as anyone here. That being said, if we could consistently play well enough long-term to have real, evenly-matched rivalries with the likes of Iowa, Nebraska and Wisconsin I'd be pretty happy.

    Watching my Gophers put a complete beat-down on the Badgers last season was truly a thrill for me.

    We're headed in the right direction. I believe, under Fleck, we can be as good as Wisconsin has been since the arrival Alvarez — which in turn would make us slightly better than Iowa has been under Ferentz. That would be wonderful.

    However, I think Fleck's goals are higher still — bigger and bolder. I love that.
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    We will know what the next level is when we see it ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc1001 View Post
    We will know what the next level is when we see it ha.
    Exactly!

    And even then, we'll have some folks saying, 'yes, we've achieved The Next Level'... but GH will still have many long and enjoyable conversations/arguments about whether we've really, really reached The Next Level or not. We'll be talking about why we should get excited about it, and why we definitely shouldn't get excited.

    Oh, and... about that time, we'll be arguing about if and when P.J. Fleck will leave for greener pastures. And who should replace him, if he does.
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