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  1. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruze View Post
    The earth revolves aroun the sun. Scientists didn't always know this but they do now. Every last one of them.
    Another fool who doesn’t get the point.


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  2. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gdizzle View Post
    I was listening to a podcast this morning interviewing Bill Nye. One of the biggest obstacles in his mind is skeptics who equate +/2% uncertainty with +/100% uncertainty. I don't think anyone is arguing whether uncertainty exists, but there is a gradient. Need to allow nuance into these conversations which can be difficult when it is so easily colored by rhetoric.

    Therefore, USDA employees ... xxx something tying back to the OP.
    But the 98% certainty is a lie.

    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...global-warming

    This is how politics influences science. Politicians need urgency. They need crisis. And they need consensus.

    You may have heard AOC recently admit that the green new deal is not about “climate crisis”. It’s about installing socialism.

    Anyway, if this is just about science, why lie about 98%? Why have Bill Nye champion your cause? He’s not a climate scientist. He’s a joke.

    The reason is because it’s a politically manufactured crisis and mainly a hoax.


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  3. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    Another fool who doesn’t get the point. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    You have been proven to be wrong again. I have been doing it to you for over a decade. But it isn't as fun as it used to be. Anything will get boring if you do it enough times.

  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruze View Post
    You have been proven to be wrong again. I have been doing it to you for over a decade. But it isn't as fun as it used to be. Anything will get boring if you do it enough times.
    Soooooo, besides Broke, and Up North Nazi, and now the cruzer, are there any others we have been missing? Might as well take credit now, for everyone else to know?
    - Respect is the ultimate currency

  5. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    Another fool who doesn’t get the point.


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    What's the point, SectionTool? Educate us with your view - put it out there. Is it settled science that the earth orbits the sun? Yes or no?

  6. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    But the 98% certainty is a lie.

    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...global-warming

    This is how politics influences science. Politicians need urgency. They need crisis. And they need consensus.

    You may have heard AOC recently admit that the green new deal is not about “climate crisis”. It’s about installing socialism.

    Anyway, if this is just about science, why lie about 98%? Why have Bill Nye champion your cause? He’s not a climate scientist. He’s a joke.

    The reason is because it’s a politically manufactured crisis and mainly a hoax.


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    Bill Nye is a national treasure! I mean okay he is literally a comedian, but he did work for Boeing and Honeywell for many years. And the 97% is problematic. Anyway, the point remains. Many loud-mouthed skeptics are allowing any non-zero amount of uncertainty to detail attempts to act on probable conclusions. At some point, we need to be able to trust experts and the resulting conclusions, and be comfortable enough to make decisions. It should be acceptable to acknowledge political influence, and do our best to shield or correct for it (meta-studies, etc,). Because the alternative is to sit on our hands and do nothing, poke holes, and be a lazy skeptic.

  7. #67

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gdizzle View Post
    Bill Nye is a national treasure! I mean okay he is literally a comedian, but he did work for Boeing and Honeywell for many years. And the 97% is problematic. Anyway, the point remains. Many loud-mouthed skeptics are allowing any non-zero amount of uncertainty to detail attempts to act on probable conclusions. At some point, we need to be able to trust experts and the resulting conclusions, and be comfortable enough to make decisions. It should be acceptable to acknowledge political influence, and do our best to shield or correct for it (meta-studies, etc,). Because the alternative is to sit on our hands and do nothing, poke holes, and be a lazy skeptic.
    Being a skeptic and being aware you don't know everything, is the most important qualities of a good scientist. Everybody knows there are variables we're not privy to.

  8. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gdizzle View Post
    Bill Nye is a national treasure! I mean okay he is literally a comedian, but he did work for Boeing and Honeywell for many years. And the 97% is problematic. Anyway, the point remains. Many loud-mouthed skeptics are allowing any non-zero amount of uncertainty to detail attempts to act on probable conclusions. At some point, we need to be able to trust experts and the resulting conclusions, and be comfortable enough to make decisions. It should be acceptable to acknowledge political influence, and do our best to shield or correct for it (meta-studies, etc,). Because the alternative is to sit on our hands and do nothing, poke holes, and be a lazy skeptic.
    If you want to trust the experts and change your behavior, you go right ahead. A lot of change can happen if 60% of the country changes its behavior. Switch to an electric car. Reduce your carbon footprint. Live in an apt or condo vs a house. Move to the city. Walk or bike to work.

    There are all kinds of examples of this happening voluntarily. Recycling is a huge one (and except for aluminum and a few others, mostly a waste).




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  9. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    What's the point, SectionTool? Educate us with your view - put it out there. Is it settled science that the earth orbits the sun? Yes or no?
    Was Newton’s theory of gravity settled or not? There was no better theory for 200 years. Made sense. Accepted by the public. What say you?

    It was settled science that the earth was the center of the universe. Until Copernicus came along.

    I believe the earth orbits the sun. There is no such thing as settled science. There is always the possibility of new information challenging our assumptions and new theories replacing the old.

    It’s one thing to believe a simple idea like gravity or orbits is settled, it is doubly embarrassing to be forwarding the “settled” argument with global warming. A brand new theory never really tested, with infinite variables, and nothing but failures at attempting predictive models. It’s proponents are political and don’t want you to think. Don’t want skepticism. They need you to act now. Rely on emotion. 10 years to save the planet! Don’t worry, you won’t have to sacrifice, other people will. People you should hate. Rich people. They’ll suffer. You’ll get high paying jobs!!

    No wonder the progs buy it.


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  10. #70

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    That is a lot of words to state you don’t believe that the Earth orbiting the sun is settled science. Consider this added to your list of dumbass views.

    Let’s try another one.

    Earth, not flat, but spherical. Settled science?

    It’s a yes/no question.

  11. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    That is a lot of words to state you don’t believe that the Earth orbiting the sun is settled science. Consider this added to your list of dumbass views.

    Let’s try another one.

    Earth, not flat, but spherical. Settled science?

    It’s a yes/no question.
    That's very few words to state that you don't understand my point. There's no such thing as settled science. I tried to explain, there are many instances in history of settled science being upended. I guess learning is not for you.

    The earth is not a sphere, no.

  12. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    The earth is not a sphere, no.
    I see. You are playing a stupid semantic game. Giving yourself another mirror handy? It’s neat that you call other posters “boring” routinely. And claim you are interested in conversations.

  13. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    I see. You are playing a stupid semantic game. Giving yourself another mirror handy? It’s neat that you call other posters “boring” routinely. And claim you are interested in conversations.
    I can’t recall calling anyone boring but you.


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