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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewert86PC View Post
    Federally mandated or not, it is still administered by the university, so they can skew it with their bias.
    If the stakes are only losing student status at the U of Minn, that’s relatively nothing. Not losing freedom or having to pay a fine. So the bar for evidence is rightly much lower.

    The university needs to have the ability to expel students when they violate the student code of conduct, as they see fit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    If the stakes are only losing student status at the U of Minn, that’s relatively nothing. Not losing freedom or having to pay a fine. So the bar for evidence is rightly much lower.

    The university needs to have the ability to expel students when they violate the student code of conduct, as they see fit.
    So you are saying it is acceptable for the university to falsify evidence to expel an "unacceptable" student? To make up patently false statements about a student's involvement in an event, even if they can prove they were not there?

    I always thought lying was one of those things that automatically went against any code of conduct: student, administrative, academic, but I guess if you have a bias against a group, then the ends justify the means. Right, Herr Goebbels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    I made it up out of thin air, as a wild guess. No reports citing hazing that I’ve seen.

    Why would two male male wrestlers sexually assault another male using an object? Seems about as bizarre as anything. So I guessed it had something to do with hazing or some tradition like that, gone overboard or awry.
    The alleged victim is female.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    I made it up out of thin air, as a wild guess. No reports citing hazing that I’ve seen.

    Why would two male male wrestlers sexually assault another male using an object? Seems about as bizarre as anything. So I guessed it had something to do with hazing or some tradition like that, gone overboard or awry.
    Have you ever seen the movie Delieverance? Do you even understand that sexual assault is not about gender, but abuse of power? You seem to only see hazing as some make only thing. Maybe you should ask the Marching band what they do to freshmen... of both genders during summer rehearsals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    If by “Clown show” you mean investigation process that the school is forced to conduct according to federal law, then yes.

    If this is a hazing act gone wrong, it would have to be pretty serious I would think for his roommate to call the police and report it as sexual assault.
    If this was a hazing gone wrong there would have been charges.


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    So far I think the clown show is some of the poster's on this thread. Stick to the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandy View Post
    The alleged victim is female.
    Link? I thought I saw an report that it was a male. Maybe it was an early report and had a mistake.

    Doesn’t matter, like I said it was just a wild guess. No skin off my teeth if they got the report wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenGophers7 View Post
    If this was a hazing gone wrong there would have been charges.
    No. Charges only rely on evidence and what you can prove. One person’s word against another’s is usually not sufficient evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewert86PC View Post
    Have you ever seen the movie Delieverance?
    Deliverance, yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewert86PC View Post
    So you are saying it is acceptable for the university to falsify evidence
    That hasn’t ever been the case and wouldn’t be here.

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    Ok, this link does confirm it was a woman: https://www.twincities.com/2019/06/1...exual-conduct/

    I was wrong on that. Disregard my hazing guess. No skin off my teeth. Maybe the roommate who called is the male that was mentioned.

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    Just like in so many cases before this: there is absolutely nothing to gain here for the woman, if she agrees to come forward and testify, and everything to lose.

    Stevenson is one of the greatest wrestling talents to come through the program in some time. The only way he won’t get expelled is if the women refuses to cooperate with the U investigation. I’ll leave it to your imagination on why she might come to that decision ...

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    Seth Green would disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewert86PC View Post
    Seth Green would disagree.
    With what? Care to elaborate, with sources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    Ok, this link does confirm it was a woman: https://www.twincities.com/2019/06/1...exual-conduct/

    I was wrong on that. Disregard my hazing guess. No skin off my teeth. Maybe the roommate who called is the male that was mentioned.
    No problem, I was just wondering if I had missed something.

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