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    Quote Originally Posted by bemidjigopher View Post
    Joe's contract had nothing to do with the teams lack of success, they gave contracts north of 15 million to guys like Pelfrey, Hughes, Worely, Correia, Santana etc. Last year they struck out on guys like Morrison and Lance Lynn. To be fair they hit in guys like Willingham and to an extent Suzuki and Castro. This year they hit on their targets at relatively cheap deals. Cron wasn't guaranteed anything, he had to beat out Austin who got waived, Schoop was on his last rights this off-season after last year. Marwin was suppose to be a utility player,. Cruz was the prize signing and even that was realtively cheap. It's painful to watch Cron field, I would absolutely take Mauer back at the 10-12 million he would've been offered. Twins spent wisely, that's why they're winning, not Mayer's fault Terry Ryan was mailing it in from 2012 and on

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    The main reason we're better this year is internal improvement (Buxton, Kepler, Polanco, Garver, Sano, Odoroizzi) and smarter/luckier FA signings (Cron vs. Morisson; Perez vs Lynn.) The payroll last year was ~$130 million. This year it's $119. So a good chunk of the $ saved on Mauer is not being spent anyway. At best, if Mauer had come back to play this season for $5-7 million, maybe we don't sign Nelson Cruz. This would cost us perhaps 2-3 wins from our current pace given the time he missed with injury.


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    It's not just the money that is making the difference. Mauer being gone has left a giant hole for new players to step up and be leaders, it feels like addition by subtraction. I am not disputing Mauer's greatness in any way, I firmly believe he is a first ballot hall of famer for what he accomplished as a catcher and completely got side swiped in his prime by bi-lateral leg weakness. He just wore out his welcome eventually and started holding back the organization from moving forward, now with him gone the new front office can operate freely. New coach, and no Mauer this year has made a difference this year. It's the law of diminishing returns and happens in sports all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ope3 View Post
    The Twins paid the 23 million annually assuming for the bulk of the contract he would be playing Catcher with perhaps part time First Base/DH. The numbers Mauer continued to put up would have been stellar for Catchers along with Gold Glove defense, the salary would be totally worth it. The dollars for a non-power hitting 1B (a move dictated because he had several concussions behind the plate), not so much.
    You nailed it.
    The only gripe I have and this is with both Mauer and Twins Mgmt, is that they should have started playing him 50% of the time at 3b or left field earlier. They guy was an amazing athlete and it would have kept his bat at a high level and plus defense at either of those positions while maybe prolonging his career at the plate.
    I think the Giants took this approach with Posey.

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    Nice piece by Reusse. Like him or hate him, nice piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingMyTailOff View Post
    You nailed it.
    The only gripe I have and this is with both Mauer and Twins Mgmt, is that they should have started playing him 50% of the time at 3b or left field earlier. They guy was an amazing athlete and it would have kept his bat at a high level and plus defense at either of those positions while maybe prolonging his career at the plate.
    I think the Giants took this approach with Posey.
    If you want to criticize Mauer for anything, I sense he was pretty stubborn and wouldn't have gone for that as long as he felt he could still catch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherBlood666 View Post
    It's not just the money that is making the difference. Mauer being gone has left a giant hole for new players to step up and be leaders, it feels like addition by subtraction. I am not disputing Mauer's greatness in any way, I firmly believe he is a first ballot hall of famer for what he accomplished as a catcher and completely got side swiped in his prime by bi-lateral leg weakness. He just wore out his welcome eventually and started holding back the organization from moving forward, now with him gone the new front office can operate freely. New coach, and no Mauer this year has made a difference this year. It's the law of diminishing returns and happens in sports all the time.
    They'd have a new manager regardless, and as far as player leadership, you could just as easily argue that Dozier being gone has a bigger impact than Mauer, since Dozier anointed himself the clubhouse leader.

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    What a great story. Lots of fun to read. So interesting that people here on GH knew Jimmy Lee and played against them. That's pretty fun to read. Really cool that Moe and Joe played together.

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    Great piece.

    I'm a year younger than Mauer/Hargrow, and played on a team that had some absolute battles with Jimmy Lee in middle school. We managed to beat them a handful of times, including by 11 in the state title game.

    Weird flex/humble brag, but don't care

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldteam View Post
    So did we pay him back enough to make up for it? LMAO
    What's the problem then? Over the course of his whole career he probably got paid about what he should have. Underpaid early on, overpaid later on based on his production. No matter what people try to say, his big contact didn't hold the Twins back. Mauer could have put up MVP numbers every year and most of those teams wouldn't have been close to going to the playoffs. Lack of internal development, especially pitching, is why the organization was so bad the past 10 years or so. Mauer gets most of the heat for it but really shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeppelin Gopher View Post
    Great piece.

    I'm a year younger than Mauer/Hargrow, and played on a team that had some absolute battles with Jimmy Lee in middle school. We managed to beat them a handful of times, including by 11 in the state title game.

    Weird flex/humble brag, but don't care
    I like hearing these stories so humble brag is totally welcome.

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