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    Quote Originally Posted by bemidjigopher View Post
    Thought Freeman had a TCU and VaTech offer, he was going to visit vs tech before Buzz left

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    Yeah VT was definitely interested, but I never saw an offer anything stating they offered. I actually checked 247 and it does list a TCU offer though.

    Like I said in the post, not a fully accurate picture and not all are committable or fake offers just because it is or isn't on 247. Not the point I was making regardless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnGopher View Post
    The difference in perception in this class mainly stems from a lack of solid offers or interest from other schools imo. I'm not telling anyone how they should value that compared with ranking and personal opinion, but simply laying out what I think are the facts. I had posted earlier the list of schollies that players over the last 4 years had been offered (I know there is offers that aren't committable and ones that are legit that don't show up on 247).

    If you go by individual rankings? 4th in B1G, avg commit rating would be 10th technically but 10-7 all have avg player ratings of 92 and a decimal....so I'm going to call it 7. So basically 4th rated class in B1G and avg commit ranking tied for 7th. Yeah if I was looking at this I wouldn't be disappointed.

    If you go by offer list? Yeah probably a bit underwhelming that Greenlee only had ark state/Columbia/iowa offered that dried up fast , Tre Williams had a Pepperdine offer, and Freeman didn't have any. Ihnen would be the exception as he appeared to have some good offers. If you compare the number of solid programs that have offered these guys as opposed to previous classes, yeah I would be disappointed.


    I'm not really sure how people draw such strong conclusions either way. Pointing out that its ranked highly in the B1G doesn't make you a homer and pointing out that these players lack big time offers doesn't make you a troll lol. I wish we could have a little bit of a better debate without just lumping everyone into the same boat and not listening.

    EDIT: and after reading my post again I would say if you want to compare B1G rankings you should do the same when it comes to offers. By that I mean add up the offers other commits have on a given year (that gets hard to compare with the variety of schools though).
    I think it really boils down to if you trust the coaches or not. A B1G coach does not need to have his player evaluations substantiated by an offer from another team or some ranking systems! Most of the major criticisms have come from posters that do not like Pitino.

    Our coaches saw each and every one of these player in person on numerous occasions and felt that they were a fit for their vision of the team. Were there some other players that maybe that wanted even more? Most likely, but you have to pick the players that want to be here at the U. As we have more success, then more higher profile players will want to play for the U.

    On another note, look at the trouble that Izo has getting the 5 star players. There are only a few programs that can live up to the recruiting expectations of some of the GH faithful.




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    There are far more examples of why not to trust Pitino with players that weren't heavily recruited. He's had a few successes, but has struck out on most.

    The class is "highly rated" in the B1G simply because we have 4 recruits - more than most teams. I actually think Pitino has done a decent job of salvaging a class that could have been a disaster. The perception that his recruiting was really bad this class stems primarily from missing on so many of his initial targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    There are far more examples of why not to trust Pitino with players that weren't heavily recruited. He's had a few successes, but has struck out on most.

    The class is "highly rated" in the B1G simply because we have 4 recruits - more than most teams. I actually think Pitino has done a decent job of salvaging a class that could have been a disaster. The perception that his recruiting was really bad this class stems primarily from missing on so many of his initial targets.
    People who didn't work out
    Bk, Gas, Gilbert, Jelly, Martin, McNeil, Lofton, Fitz

    People who did work out
    Mason, Murphy, McBreyer, Mathieu, Coffey, Oturu, Gabe, Lynch, Springs

    People who have been meh
    Malik Smith, King, Morris (great in win at Sparty), Harris, (had onions in that win at PSU), Hurt, Curry (injuries), Matz, Stull (Wisconsin game and earned his way back into rotation at the end)

    Too early to tell
    Omersa, current crop of Freshman, Demir, Carr and Willis. May add one more GT

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    Quote Originally Posted by bemidjigopher View Post
    People who didn't work out
    Bk, Gas, Gilbert, Jelly, Martin, McNeil, Lofton, Fitz

    People who did work out
    Mason, Murphy, McBreyer, Mathieu, Coffey, Oturu, Gabe, Lynch, Springs

    People who have been meh
    Malik Smith, King, Morris (great in win at Sparty), Harris, (had onions in that win at PSU), Hurt, Curry (injuries), Matz, Stull (Wisconsin game and earned his way back into rotation at the end)

    Too early to tell
    Omersa, current crop of Freshman, Demir, Carr and Willis. May add one more GT

    Tragic
    Jarvis Johnson

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    My comment was regarding players that didn't work out and weren't heavily recruited. This centers around the "trust the coaches" mentality. Coffey and Oturu were heavily recruited and were/are both studs.

    I would put Stull and Hurt in the "didn't work out" category. BK was more productive than either of them. I can't think of who Harris is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    My comment was regarding players that didn't work out and weren't heavily recruited. This centers around the "trust the coaches" mentality. Coffey and Oturu were heavily recruited and were/are both studs.

    I would put Stull and Hurt in the "didn't work out" category. BK was more productive than either of them. I can't think of who Harris is?
    Harris was here for a year, class of 2017. Stull and Hurt have both played enough to not be bust, we don't beat Badgers without Stull. Hurt isn't spectacular, but hes not a total dud, moves well in the offense, plays good enough d. Konate lacked bball IQ and couldn't catch. Fair enough on Coffey and Oturu, but give credit is due in recruiting those studs. Overall I would say it's a mix bag, which is why this tenure has been a rollercoaster

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    My comment was regarding players that didn't work out and weren't heavily recruited. This centers around the "trust the coaches" mentality. Coffey and Oturu were heavily recruited and were/are both studs.

    I would put Stull and Hurt in the "didn't work out" category. BK was more productive than either of them. I can't think of who Harris is?
    Jamir Harris- New York kid, great pure shooter, small with not great handles or speed. Issue was inability to play at point and too small for a 2 guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    My comment was regarding players that didn't work out and weren't heavily recruited. This centers around the "trust the coaches" mentality. Coffey and Oturu were heavily recruited and were/are both studs.

    I would put Stull and Hurt in the "didn't work out" category. BK was more productive than either of them. I can't think of who Harris is?
    Not sure how people forget our players so quickly. He played for us in 2018 and then transferred. Had 16 points in an OT win against Penn State.

    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...6/jamir-harris

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    I think it really boils down to if you trust the coaches or not. A B1G coach does not need to have his player evaluations substantiated by an offer from another team or some ranking systems! Most of the major criticisms have come from posters that do not like Pitino.

    Our coaches saw each and every one of these player in person on numerous occasions and felt that they were a fit for their vision of the team. Were there some other players that maybe that wanted even more? Most likely, but you have to pick the players that want to be here at the U. As we have more success, then more higher profile players will want to play for the U.

    On another note, look at the trouble that Izo has getting the 5 star players. There are only a few programs that can live up to the recruiting expectations of some of the GH faithful.




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    A person can like Pitino, think he has earned B- as a recruiter and a D as a coach. Oneof my issues is the idea that he is a great recruiter and a great coach. I like the players he gets minus the handful of character scum we have seen. The issue is how to put them together. Everyone should understand how hard recruiting is. Programs miles better than ours do not get all their first choices either but they find guys under the radar and win huge. Thinking this way does not mean you hate Pitino. It means that one way another we expect way better results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    Most of the major criticisms have come from posters that do not like Pitino.


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    There is plenty to criticize Pitino about. Posters can criticize him and it doesn’t mean they dislike him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    A person can like Pitino, think he has earned B- as a recruiter and a D as a coach. Oneof my issues is the idea that he is a great recruiter and a great coach. I like the players he gets minus the handful of character scum we have seen. The issue is how to put them together. Everyone should understand how hard recruiting is. Programs miles better than ours do not get all their first choices either but they find guys under the radar and win huge. Thinking this way does not mean you hate Pitino. It means that one way another we expect way better results.
    Pretty impressive to win BT coach of the year when you gave him a D. How would you rate his coaching that season and this past one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by underground629 View Post
    Pretty impressive to win BT coach of the year when you gave him a D. How would you rate his coaching that season and this past one?
    Winning Coach of the Year in the conference means nothing. It basically says "We thought your team would suck and it didn't"

    Tubby was the Big 12 COY in 2015-16.
    Josh Pastner won ACC COY in the same year Pitino was B1G COY.
    The last time Izzo (who is without question the best coach in the B1G) won B1G COY was seven years ago.

    Pitino has been okay. But the fact that he won B1G COY two years ago means next to nothing.

    As far as Greenlee goes, I expect him to be a role player for his first couple of years. After that it depends on how he develops. I just hope he can knock down the 3. We need more guys who can do that. He should play a lot early if he can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by underground629 View Post
    Pretty impressive to win BT coach of the year when you gave him a D. How would you rate his coaching that season and this past one?
    Your on the wrong forum. Nobody wants to give Pitino credit for anything. Your absolutely right. How did Pitino do in those two years he made tournament. Awful coaching. It doesnt matter on this sight if you beat Izzo a few times people dont count that. Hes a terrible coach that has gone to NCAA tournament a couple of times and doesnt know what hes doing. Coyle must feel that way too as hes given him an extention and sees the program going right direction as maybe 1 other on this site lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    A person can like Pitino, think he has earned B- as a recruiter and a D as a coach. Oneof my issues is the idea that he is a great recruiter and a great coach. I like the players he gets minus the handful of character scum we have seen. The issue is how to put them together. Everyone should understand how hard recruiting is. Programs miles better than ours do not get all their first choices either but they find guys under the radar and win huge. Thinking this way does not mean you hate Pitino. It means that one way another we expect way better results.
    Pitino gets a D for coaching. Lol. What a joke. Once again, a thread derails because some bonehead writes a long screed about why Pitino can’t be trusted on the recruiting trail, prompting defenders of the program (including myself) to clap back against those assertions, which then encourages a poster like builtbadger — who definitely isn’t a troll and only means well and just wants to do right by the program by crapping on our coach in a thread dedicated to an incoming freshman (end sarcasm) — to jump in and play Mr. Civility when all he’s doing is distracting from the main point of the thread.

    To all the anti-Pitino guys in this thread, I (and others) see what you are doing. It’s getting old. Do I think Pitino has swung and miss on recruits? Yeah, I do. Washington, Harris, Gilbert, just to name a few. Every coach misses on recruits and what those guys have to do with Greenlee is beyond me. The Gophers needed a backup ball handler. Due to crazy circumstances (Coffey), it prevented us from securing a top-tier PG. Greenlee was definitely a backup plan. Doesn’t mean he can’t succeed here, nor does it mean we can’t find a PG in 2020. If Greenlee is below average at best, he will be gone next year and will hopefully find a mid-major that wants him, allowing us to go after a highly-ranked PG and allowing Greenlee to get some experience and hopefully find a new home where he can thrive. It’s a win-win for both parties involved. We get a body behind Carr who isn’t a walk on and Greenlee gets to raise his stock in the Big10. Best case scenario is that Greenlee proves to be a baller and we got ourselves a 4-year floor general.

    Now that the thread is back to talking about Greenlee, I encourage anyone who wants to bitch about our 2019 class, or Pitino’s recruiting, or Pitino’s D grade for coaching (Lol) to start their own new thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzle22 View Post
    Winning Coach of the Year in the conference means nothing. It basically says "We thought your team would suck and it didn't"

    Tubby was the Big 12 COY in 2015-16.
    Josh Pastner won ACC COY in the same year Pitino was B1G COY.
    The last time Izzo (who is without question the best coach in the B1G) won B1G COY was seven years ago.

    Pitino has been okay. But the fact that he won B1G COY two years ago means next to nothing.

    As far as Greenlee goes, I expect him to be a role player for his first couple of years. After that it depends on how he develops. I just hope he can knock down the 3. We need more guys who can do that. He should play a lot early if he can
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    Having a willing individual to be number 12-13 on the bench is more valuable that we give credit for. We are giving this kid a chance and if it works out great, if not, nothing was lost this next year. Scholarships are so fluid now a days with how many kids transfer. Greenlee may be over his head, or he's the type of leader who gets underrecruited, but will rise above because he's a hard worker who enjoys process and isn't afraid of some adversity (low rating, etc...)

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