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    Quote Originally Posted by macgopher View Post
    What exactly does Pack Line mean? That we just have a group of very talented and quick defenders that stay between the player and the basket? Does it mean little switching of defenders on players? Does it mean you as a defender back off to just under the three point line and make the defensive stand there to the basket?
    It means that the three point line was moved out for a reason...


  2. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by macgopher View Post
    What exactly does Pack Line mean? That we just have a group of very talented and quick defenders that stay between the player and the basket? Does it mean little switching of defenders on players? Does it mean you as a defender back off to just under the three point line and make the defensive stand there to the basket?
    The reason I brought up Pack line vs up the line is we are losing a lot of length. I think we have good athletes, but it's more positional defenders (Gabe and Tre fit this mold). With Duprees and Amir we looked to be little more aggressive with length. Prior to this season, our help-side defense was awful, it got better throughout the year this year. A move to a more pack line style where we allow our guys to be in help position earlier may be beneficial. Especially with a deeper 3 point line.

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    I thought Amir didn't have a great wingspan for his height. And Dupree's lack of shooting made his defense almost inconsequential.

    It's sad since good defense is just about effort and knowing where to be.

    We need shooters we can make into good defenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis View Post
    I thought Amir didn't have a great wingspan for his height. And Dupree's lack of shooting made his defense almost inconsequential.

    It's sad since good defense is just about effort and knowing where to be.

    We need shooters we can make into good defenders.
    Amir had a shorter wingspan sure, but he was taller and great at anticipating. Pree's shooting has nothing to do with the style of defense we played. Being a good defender requires effort, but position and situations are not easy to be taught and are hard. There also is some minimal athletic skills that are needed to be a good defender. Defense is a mentality and it's hard in basketball. Anyways my point was the type of defenders we have may not be more suited towards pack line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manderson1984 View Post
    The reason I brought up Pack line vs up the line is we are losing a lot of length. I think we have good athletes, but it's more positional defenders (Gabe and Tre fit this mold). With Duprees and Amir we looked to be little more aggressive with length. Prior to this season, our help-side defense was awful, it got better throughout the year this year. A move to a more pack line style where we allow our guys to be in help position earlier may be beneficial. Especially with a deeper 3 point line.
    We may not lose much length if my man Ihnen is ready to roll! If he is we could be playing Carr, Gabe, Ihnen, Demir and Oturu a lot and that's a line up with good length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Actually, I agree with you. You could get certain "brand name" coaches in here and it would change recruiting over night. You are correct. Here's just one small problem with that: They won't come here. Pitino was about the tenth choice for the job if you recall.

    There might be a lot of coaches that could change this situation over time and I still think one of them could be Pitino. In fact with good luck instead of the really bad luck he has often seen (injuries, the Lynch issue and the Dorsey sex scandal) I think he would have three straight NCAAs and we would be talking about a program really on the rise in terms of public perception. Perception is huge in getting these guys to commit.

    bga, I think we generally agree. Nothing is easy until someone makes it easy.

    Generally speaking, a lot of luck is created, not to say that there is not some true luck involved. History and propensity matter. Culture matters. Training matters. Facilities matter. Assitants matter. Trainers matter. Recruiting matters. Point being, a lot of what is referred to as luck, is the machine getting it right every step of the way to maximize luck and minimize misfortune as much as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlaur View Post
    bga, I think we generally agree. Nothing is easy until someone makes it easy.

    Generally speaking, a lot of luck is created, not to say that there is not some true luck involved. History and propensity matter. Culture matters. Training matters. Facilities matter. Assitants matter. Trainers matter. Recruiting matters. Point being, a lot of what is referred to as luck, is the machine getting it right every step of the way to maximize luck and minimize misfortune as much as possible.
    Yep. I was really hopeful when we hired Tubby. I figured he was a chance to give the program a credibility shot in the arm- kind of like Dick Bennett once did for the Wisconsin program that had been flailing around for so long. Bennett stabilized them and got them going. Then Ryan came in and followed up and executed the plan long term. But Tubby had lousy facilities and assistants and he lost his energy for the job. Instead of getting the jump start we needed, we got labeled the program that even Tubby Smith couldn't win at and the whole episode ended up backfiring.

    When they went for Pitino they gambled on him being a big timer for the long term that could grow with the program. But he was too impatient to hit a home run right away. I think he came in thinking he could parlay the Pitino name into some big time national recruits. When he failed to close on the guys he was after we got stuck with some reaches. I think he is learning, getting better and recruiting harder and smarter but now he is constantly on the hot seat and there is no longer any positive buzz about him- which makes getting guys tougher. He needs to have a big fall recruiting and I think he will turn the corner. If he doesn't have a nice fall class- we have trouble in River City.

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    Surprised nobody has posted this yet, but if we want to actually talk/read about Greenlee, Marcus has a nice interview with him from yesterday:

    http://www.startribune.com/gophers-n...son/511420992/

    Sounds like he has played against some really good competition and will come in physically ready to play (built like a FB player).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WriterGoph View Post
    Surprised nobody has posted this yet, but if we want to actually talk/read about Greenlee, Marcus has a nice interview with him from yesterday:

    http://www.startribune.com/gophers-n...son/511420992/

    Sounds like he has played against some really good competition and will come in physically ready to play (built like a FB player).
    Thanks for posting this, caught it earlier this morning and was a good read. Excited to hear he has already been playing against pretty high level competition and that he seems in no way intimidated by playing in a high major conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WriterGoph View Post
    Surprised nobody has posted this yet, but if we want to actually talk/read about Greenlee, Marcus has a nice interview with him from yesterday:

    http://www.startribune.com/gophers-n...son/511420992/

    Sounds like he has played against some really good competition and will come in physically ready to play (built like a FB player).
    That is a good interview and Bryan seems to have the right mindset and determination to be good player.

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    All of his credentials point towards him being an outstanding student-athlete prospect and I'm excited to see what he brings to the program. Go Gophers!


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    Looking through this thread, I don't have necessarily have an issue with all the Pitino criticism regarding his ability to recruit but can we at least wait to SEE our 2019 recruiting class play before we start to complain? I'd say if we get two solid future starters for our roster and a couple of serviceable players then this class could be the best one yet during Pitino's tenure here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parcival View Post
    Looking through this thread, I don't have necessarily have an issue with all the Pitino criticism regarding his ability to recruit but can we at least wait to SEE our 2019 recruiting class play before we start to complain? I'd say if we get two solid future starters for our roster and a couple of serviceable players then this class could be the best one yet during Pitino's tenure here.
    Get real. According to GI, Pitino has landed 4 out of the top 8 highest rated recruits to come to the U (yea, it doesn’t go back too far). We all want it to be even better, but this year’s class is respectable in terms of the B1G. As we extend our number of consecutive trips to the Tournament, the recruiting will improve.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    Get real. According to GI, Pitino has landed 4 out of the top 8 highest rated recruits to come to the U (yea, it doesn’t go back too far). We all want it to be even better, but this year’s class is respectable in terms of the B1G. As we extend our number of consecutive trips to the Tournament, the recruiting will improve.


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    The difference in perception in this class mainly stems from a lack of solid offers or interest from other schools imo. I'm not telling anyone how they should value that compared with ranking and personal opinion, but simply laying out what I think are the facts. I had posted earlier the list of schollies that players over the last 4 years had been offered (I know there is offers that aren't committable and ones that are legit that don't show up on 247).

    If you go by individual rankings? 4th in B1G, avg commit rating would be 10th technically but 10-7 all have avg player ratings of 92 and a decimal....so I'm going to call it 7. So basically 4th rated class in B1G and avg commit ranking tied for 7th. Yeah if I was looking at this I wouldn't be disappointed.

    If you go by offer list? Yeah probably a bit underwhelming that Greenlee only had ark state/Columbia/iowa offered that dried up fast , Tre Williams had a Pepperdine offer, and Freeman didn't have any. Ihnen would be the exception as he appeared to have some good offers. If you compare the number of solid programs that have offered these guys as opposed to previous classes, yeah I would be disappointed.


    I'm not really sure how people draw such strong conclusions either way. Pointing out that its ranked highly in the B1G doesn't make you a homer and pointing out that these players lack big time offers doesn't make you a troll lol. I wish we could have a little bit of a better debate without just lumping everyone into the same boat and not listening.

    EDIT: and after reading my post again I would say if you want to compare B1G rankings you should do the same when it comes to offers. By that I mean add up the offers other commits have on a given year (that gets hard to compare with the variety of schools though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnGopher View Post
    The difference in perception in this class mainly stems from a lack of solid offers or interest from other schools imo. I'm not telling anyone how they should value that compared with ranking and personal opinion, but simply laying out what I think are the facts. I had posted earlier the list of schollies that players over the last 4 years had been offered (I know there is offers that aren't committable and ones that are legit that don't show up on 247).

    If you go by individual rankings? 4th in B1G, avg commit rating would be 10th technically but 10-7 all have avg player ratings of 92 and a decimal....so I'm going to call it 7. So basically 4th rated class in B1G and avg commit ranking tied for 7th. Yeah if I was looking at this I wouldn't be disappointed.

    If you go by offer list? Yeah probably a bit underwhelming that Greenlee only had ark state/Columbia/iowa offered that dried up fast , Tre Williams had a Pepperdine offer, and Freeman didn't have any. Ihnen would be the exception as he appeared to have some good offers. If you compare the number of solid programs that have offered these guys as opposed to previous classes, yeah I would be disappointed.


    I'm not really sure how people draw such strong conclusions either way. Pointing out that its ranked highly in the B1G doesn't make you a homer and pointing out that these players lack big time offers doesn't make you a troll lol. I wish we could have a little bit of a better debate without just lumping everyone into the same boat and not listening.

    EDIT: and after reading my post again I would say if you want to compare B1G rankings you should do the same when it comes to offers. By that I mean add up the offers other commits have on a given year (that gets hard to compare with the variety of schools though).
    Thought Freeman had a TCU and VaTech offer, he was going to visit vs tech before Buzz left

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