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  1. #91

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedGopher View Post
    per Marcus:

    Gophers add point guard depth with three-star Florida senior Bryan Greenlee

    Looking to add point guard depth for next season, the Gophers landed a commitment Thursday night from three-star 2019 Florida point guard Bryan "BJ" Greenlee.

    Greenlee, a 6-foot senior from the Rock School in Gainesville, Fla., had one other Power Five scholarship offer from Iowa last summer, but he also visited Cincinnati and considered Old Dominion.

    Greenlee was named the Gainesville Sun's Co-Player of the Year for small schools in Florida after leading the Rock to its second Sunshine Independent Athletic Association state title. He averaged 13.7 points, 7.3 assists, 4.2 rebounds and 2.5 steals last season.

    “He’s had a great high school career,” The Rock coach Justin Harden said. “Minnesota is getting a kid who is going to be really tough. He looks the part. He’s 6-feet and 185-190 pounds. He looks like a defensive back. He plays the game the right way. He’s a student of the game and really balanced player. He’ll provide consistency and leadership.”

    Greenlee started on the varsity for three seasons and helped his team win 134 games. As a sophomore, he played alongside current Penn State starting guard Jamari Wheeler, who was one of the best defenders for the Nittany Lions last season. That’s also a strength for Greenlee.

    “He’s a phenomenal on-ball defender, picking up guys 94 feet,” Harden said. “That was one of the main things with coach (Richard) Pitino that we talked about is just him being able to come off the bench the first year and just being able to use his athleticism to cause havoc and being a spark on the defensive end.”

    http://www.startribune.com/gophers-a...lee/511273412/

    Go Gophers!!
    Not great scoring numbers.....but the assists and steals look good.

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  2. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by EG#9 View Post
    This is just depressing to read. I am very familiar with the Iowa State program. If you don't think being the only University in Minnesota and having the access to the talent in the Twin Cities is a major advantage over being located in Ames, Iowa or Corvallis, Oregon or being a private school with (at least at one time) tough academic standards like Vandy, I don't know what to tell you. Iowa State has never even gotten the best players out of Iowa's extremely limited talent pool and has still put a much better product on the floor than Minnesota. If you want to live the "pipe dream" that these schools are on the same footing as Minnesota , that would be like me expecting the Gopher program to be Kentucky or Kansas. I know you are an old dude, so I know you remember when Minnesota was a consistently better program than Wisconsin. I guess it's just ok to you to set the bar at Oregon State now. Noted.
    EG- I get your pessimism and there is good reason considering our history. However, Minnesota, whether it has been Pitino or Tubby or Monson or even Clem the gem, has struggled to get quantities of highly ranked kids in here. It has been a combination of things that include weather, lack of a winning history, sanctions and negative publicity and coaches on the hot seat. The locals have not grown up seeing a winning program here and they see the negative attitude towards the program - so they often go where it is cooler to go, if they can. Pitino is recruiting hard IMO but it will be an uphill battle for him or anyone else until we start winning more regularly.

    I really like what he has done this offseason as he has been able to bring in a combination of guys who are a notch up as shooters, have good length and a reputation as hard workers who will play defense. Maybe he is putting together a TEAM here instead of a group of star ratings. Granted, I would be pumped if he was bringing in 5 guys who are all 4 and 5 star guys, but that's just not going to happen here for a while under ANY coach. Pitino or some coach is going to have to put together a string of successful teams that includes pulling some guys out of the weeds that nobody expected to be a high major kid. I have a feeling that Ihnen might be a huge sleeper and perhaps Freeman as well. Perhaps this kid Greenlee is the type of glue guy that you build a team attitude with.

    Unlike you, I am really excited to see what type of team Pitino has assembled here. Many times I have referred back to the Hagan, Grier, Lawson, Arob and Coleman squad. That squad had nothing for 4 stars save for perhaps Coleman, yet they put together a TEAM that had more Big Ten wins than any Gopher team in the past 15 years. The guys were have coming in this fall have far more ability as a group than that squad did. The question is more how they play together as a group.

  3. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by EG#9 View Post
    Tyson Etienne is actually rated higher in both 247's own rankings and the composite ranking than Marcus Carr was coming out of high school. Etienne is in the same class as Sherfield. If that wasn't enough to scare Grant off of Wichita State, then Carr certainly wasn't scaring him off of Minnesota. I hope Marcus Carr is as good as some posters hope he is. I would guess that at least 2/3 of high major programs have a guard with a recruiting profile as strong as Carr's on the roster. Most of those guys have actually played for the school they are currently attending as well. Adams-Woods chose to go to Cincy who is bringing in a transfer that not only put up better stats than Carr, but is related to arguably the best player on their roster. I just don't buy that Marcus Carr is such a deterrent to guard recruits that we had to call up a guy and offer him in June.

    Even if you believe that Carr is what has prevented more successful recruiting, it doesn't explain how the Gophers failed in the 2018 class to add a guard. They missed on even more guards in that class than they did in this one before taking Carr as a transfer in the Spring. Also to compare and contrast Iowa State has Tyrese Haliburton coming back at PG (hindsight Gophers should have taken him instead of waiting on Eric Hunter who they ended up missing on, but that's not a criticism as you have to go for your top guys first). Haliburton was impressive enough as a Freshman to get some NBA buzz and an invite to a USA tryout. Despite the presence of Haliburton, Iowa State was able to get a commitment this Spring from Caleb Grill (169 overall, offers from K State, UNLV, Texas Tech and others).

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    one of this is to say Greenlee can't surprise, its to say the Pitino's recruiting has been a disappointment and has put the program in a precarious position. We shouldn't be talking about "rebuilding" after a year like last year. We should be able to absorb losing a top player who stayed for 3 years as most programs experience such a departure regularly. If this was just one commit, it would be slightly disappointing but when you look at the roster as a whole there are just way too many question marks in terms of talent. For a coach going in to his 7th year with brand new facilities, we should be seeing better results. Hopefully that is the case both on the court and on the recruiting trail over the next 8-10 months.
    You also saw Boogie Ellis decommit when Tre came back. Each situation is different and each kid has different values. In most cases though playing time is extremely important to kids and is a large factor in their recruiting. Rankings are just that, they don't mean everything if you develop players. This current staff is recruiting different types of guys that Ben and Kimani and I'm excited to see how that pans out. Jeter's touches will help this group.

    Facts are this team is going to be completely different than last years team. Our offensive system will be completely different as well. Defensively we get a little shorter it looks like as well and we may play more pack line d. This fits a lot of our guys. What we do know is our outside shooting will be better. Our rebounding may be worse, but when you lose Jordan Murphy that happens. The other things are relatively unknown at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manderson1984 View Post
    You also saw Boogie Ellis decommit when Tre came back. Each situation is different and each kid has different values. In most cases though playing time is extremely important to kids and is a large factor in their recruiting. Rankings are just that, they don't mean everything if you develop players. This current staff is recruiting different types of guys that Ben and Kimani and I'm excited to see how that pans out. Jeter's touches will help this group.

    Facts are this team is going to be completely different than last years team. Our offensive system will be completely different as well. Defensively we get a little shorter it looks like as well and we may play more pack line d. This fits a lot of our guys. What we do know is our outside shooting will be better. Our rebounding may be worse, but when you lose Jordan Murphy that happens. The other things are relatively unknown at this point.
    Boogie de-commited because Cassius Stanley signed. Not because Tre decided to come back. Tre was always going back to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzle22 View Post
    Boogie de-commited because Cassius Stanley signed. Not because Tre decided to come back. Tre was always going back to school.
    We can agree to disagree on why he decommited, but here's my source. Still doesn't change my original point.

    https://thespun.com/acc/duke-blue-de...tted-from-duke

  6. #96

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    Quote Originally Posted by manderson1984 View Post
    We can agree to disagree on why he decommited, but here's my source. Still doesn't change my original point.

    https://thespun.com/acc/duke-blue-de...tted-from-duke
    Neither one of us really know why so agree to disagree is fair. I just know that Tre never planned on being a one and done, and don't think it is a coincidence that Boogie de-committed within 2 weeks of Stanley signing.

    Generally agree with your original point.
    Last edited by bizzle22; 06-17-2019 at 10:11 AM.

  7. #97

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    Quote Originally Posted by manderson1984 View Post
    You also saw Boogie Ellis decommit when Tre came back. Each situation is different and each kid has different values. In most cases though playing time is extremely important to kids and is a large factor in their recruiting. Rankings are just that, they don't mean everything if you develop players. This current staff is recruiting different types of guys that Ben and Kimani and I'm excited to see how that pans out. Jeter's touches will help this group.

    Facts are this team is going to be completely different than last years team. Our offensive system will be completely different as well. Defensively we get a little shorter it looks like as well and we may play more pack line d. This fits a lot of our guys. What we do know is our outside shooting will be better. Our rebounding may be worse, but when you lose Jordan Murphy that happens. The other things are relatively unknown at this point.
    Agree. I think this year will be a transitional year as Pitino settles into the style that the U will be playing for years to come.


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  8. #98

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    Agree. I think this year will be a transitional year as Pitino settles into the style that the U will be playing for years to come.


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    Awesome ! So we are going to finally play Pack Line !

  9. #99

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    EG- I get your pessimism and there is good reason considering our history. However, Minnesota, whether it has been Pitino or Tubby or Monson or even Clem the gem, has struggled to get quantities of highly ranked kids in here. It has been a combination of things that include weather, lack of a winning history, sanctions and negative publicity and coaches on the hot seat. The locals have not grown up seeing a winning program here and they see the negative attitude towards the program - so they often go where it is cooler to go, if they can. Pitino is recruiting hard IMO but it will be an uphill battle for him or anyone else until we start winning more regularly.

    I really like what he has done this offseason as he has been able to bring in a combination of guys who are a notch up as shooters, have good length and a reputation as hard workers who will play defense. Maybe he is putting together a TEAM here instead of a group of star ratings. Granted, I would be pumped if he was bringing in 5 guys who are all 4 and 5 star guys, but that's just not going to happen here for a while under ANY coach. Pitino or some coach is going to have to put together a string of successful teams that includes pulling some guys out of the weeds that nobody expected to be a high major kid. I have a feeling that Ihnen might be a huge sleeper and perhaps Freeman as well. Perhaps this kid Greenlee is the type of glue guy that you build a team attitude with.

    Unlike you, I am really excited to see what type of team Pitino has assembled here. Many times I have referred back to the Hagan, Grier, Lawson, Arob and Coleman squad. That squad had nothing for 4 stars save for perhaps Coleman, yet they put together a TEAM that had more Big Ten wins than any Gopher team in the past 15 years. The guys were have coming in this fall have far more ability as a group than that squad did. The question is more how they play together as a group.
    bga, you don't truly believe that this would not happen under "any coach". I think you could name some coaches without thinking too hard.

    Seperately, just becuase someone has not figured out how to do something, does not mean someone else will not. You do not have a large sample size of coaches to label this as impossible and even if your sample size went from 5 to 100 coaches, I would still disagree. I am not commenting on this season, this coach or anything but your coment about "any coach".

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlaur View Post
    bga, you don't truly believe that this would not happen under "any coach". I think you could name some coaches without thinking too hard.

    Seperately, just becuase someone has not figured out how to do something, does not mean someone else will not. You do not have a large sample size of coaches to label this as impossible and even if your sample size went from 5 to 100 coaches, I would still disagree. I am not commenting on this season, this coach or anything but your coment about "any coach".
    Actually, I agree with you. You could get certain "brand name" coaches in here and it would change recruiting over night. You are correct. Here's just one small problem with that: They won't come here. Pitino was about the tenth choice for the job if you recall.

    There might be a lot of coaches that could change this situation over time and I still think one of them could be Pitino. In fact with good luck instead of the really bad luck he has often seen (injuries, the Lynch issue and the Dorsey sex scandal) I think he would have three straight NCAAs and we would be talking about a program really on the rise in terms of public perception. Perception is huge in getting these guys to commit.
    Last edited by bga1; 06-17-2019 at 12:24 PM.

  11. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjgopher View Post
    Now, you're just making stuff up.

    Willis averaged 5 points and 18 minutes per game as a true freshman on an NCAA Tourney team at Vandy. Averaged 5 points and 19 minutes as sophomore. That is not "awful" by any standard in the SEC. He shot 35% from 3pt as a soph. He didn't get any other schools who wanted him as a transfer because he contacted MN. He was friends with Eric Curry and we finished #2 with him coming out of high school, where he was a national Top 150. Is he a future all-Big Ten guy? Probably not. But, to say he was "awful on a Vandy team that finished at the bottom of the conference" is just being dishonest or lazy or both. He can absolutely be a contributing team member on a quality Big Ten team.



    Are they getting a bump based on quantity? They have two Top 130 national recruits. MN ranked fourth in Big Ten with 3 commits which the database includes. Ranked BEHIND Minnesota is Nebraska with 5 commits, Purdue with 3 commits, Northwestern with 3 commits, etc. Gophers have two players in the Top 130. You can choose to discredit, but why don't we wait until they play a few games before we write novels disparaging them on a message board?
    Where is he disparaging them??

    I don't get the outrage when people aren't really satisfied with where we are. Do I think a decent amount of criticism of Pitino and the hoops team is over the top? Yeah I do. I have wanted to keep Pitino and still am in favor of keeping him around but what is wrong with EG pointing out our shortcomings? Just like Built has said before, everyone can hold the program to a different standard. I think he is simply saying that we have some more question marks in this class, and question marks haven't panned out very well for us before.

    Other than not having an offense identity I would say that Pitino's biggest shortcoming is that he has some awful misses on the recruiting trail that have really crippled us down the line. I see no problem with questioning us taking another guy that didn't have a ton of interest from good division 1 basketball programs, or questioning Pitino's ability to recruit when kids go to teams that have less playing time available (Sherfield).

  12. #102

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    This year we have 4 recruits of which 2 of them are either 4* or borderline 4*:

    Isaiah Ihnen - 90th recruit in the country. Fills a position of need and is a high quality shooter.

    Tre Williams - 128th recruit in the country. Fills a position of need and is a high quality shooter.

    Then we have a 3* recruit:

    Sam Freeman - 6'11" big body who likes to bang and play physically. Provides depth at center (a 1 deep position previously).

    And we have an unknown PG:

    Bryon Greenlee - a 3 year starter on a state tournament winner in Florida who was his metro area's Player of the Year and is known for his defense. Provides depth at PG the team's shallowest position.

    What % of these guys needs to work out for Pitino to get some credit for this class. His last class of Oturu, Kalesheur and Omersa wasn't ranked as high in the conference before the season and turned out great. Probably would have been ranked in the top 4 or 5 of the conference in hindsight. All the better in that none of them went pro. If three of these guys see the court in spots greater than 8 min/game its a success.

    Factor in Demir, and I think we have done pretty well this spring! Get behind your new Gophers and have a little faith!

  13. #103

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    I don't just focus on the freshman coming in. I factor in all new players becoming available for the program. Add Carr, Willis, and Demir to this class, and I think we should be generally happy with it, especially after Pitino got off to a late start because assistants left (or were asked to leave) last summer.

  14. #104

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    Coffey-Bama, Arizona, Baylor, Mich state, Oregon, Texas, Wisc, Miami, Indiana, Marq
    Curry-Arkansas, ISU, OSU, SMU, VCU
    Mike Hurt-Nebraska, Northwester, Murray State, Drake

    I wash- GT, Depaul, Providence, Rutgers, Seton Hall, New Mex, VCU
    Jamir Haris- Bama, Creighton, Seton Hall, Stanford

    Gabe- Pitt, Bowling Green, UNI, Drake
    Omersa- ISU, ASU, Marquette, Oregon State, Pitt, A&M, Wake Forest
    Oturu- Kansas, Creighton, Memphis, GT, Nebraska, Providence

    Sam Freeman- TCU
    Tre Williams- Pepperdine
    Isaiah Ihnen- TCU, ASU, Stanford, Tennessee
    Bryan Greenlee- Arkansas State, Iowa, Columbia

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Awesome ! So we are going to finally play Pack Line !
    What exactly does Pack Line mean? That we just have a group of very talented and quick defenders that stay between the player and the basket? Does it mean little switching of defenders on players? Does it mean you as a defender back off to just under the three point line and make the defensive stand there to the basket?

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