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    Quote Originally Posted by MnplsGopher View Post
    He’s just a stooge figurehead, happy to be along for the ride.

    The shadow monsters are ghost writing all the actual content. Trump just stands up and blathers it out of his face hole.
    Great insight.
    If at first you don’t succeed, then maybe you just suck. – Kenny Powers


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    Weren’t we assured in another thread that just knowing someone or having worked in association with someone means absolutely nothing?

    You need to make up your mind, and not dependent be on whether it’s Trump and someone or Biden and someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    Weren’t we assured in another thread that just knowing someone or having worked in association with someone means absolutely nothing?

    You need to make up your mind, and not dependent be on whether it’s Trump and someone or Biden and someone.
    They were arrested for illegally funneling Russian money to the #1 pro-Trump Super PAC! A PAC whose events Don Jr speaks at. A PAC led by former members of the Trump admin. A PAC whose chairman used to be Don Jr's good friend Tommy Hicks. (Hicks left to become the RNC co-chair, BTW.) A PAC whose leadership Don Jr's girlfriend used to vice chair. This isn't mere association.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justthefacts View Post
    They were arrested for illegally funneling Russian money to the #1 pro-Trump Super PAC! A PAC whose events Don Jr speaks at. A PAC led by former members of the Trump admin. A PAC whose chairman used to be Don Jr's good friend Tommy Hicks. (Hicks left to become the RNC co-chair, BTW.) A PAC whose leadership Don Jr's girlfriend used to vice chair. This isn't mere association.
    And you are saying that Trump and Giuliani engineered their giving to this PAC? Meanwhile you are saying that other PACs, Obama's, Hillary's, Bidens' the DNC PACs, those are all clean?
    Get serious. One of the biggest donors to Hillary Clinton- mostly through the Clinton Foundation Laundry was a Ukrainian who Paul Manafort was doing a lot of work with.... Of course we now know that Biden was heavily mixed up in Ukraine. But this should not be investigated, and if it is...IMPEACH TRUMP.

    Look up Pras Michel when you get a moment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justthefacts View Post
    They were arrested for illegally funneling Russian money to the #1 pro-Trump Super PAC! A PAC whose events Don Jr speaks at. A PAC led by former members of the Trump admin. A PAC whose chairman used to be Don Jr's good friend Tommy Hicks. (Hicks left to become the RNC co-chair, BTW.) A PAC whose leadership Don Jr's girlfriend used to vice chair. This isn't mere association.
    I’m sure all the facts will come out. You know why? B/c AG Barr and his DOJ don’t bury swampy behavior that reflects poorly on their side of the political isle.

    We’ll learn more about the swampy behavior of the Democrats and the Obama Admin DOJ/FBI later this week.

    I hope you’ll be fully so unskeptical about its findings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    You've posted about this before, and I pointed out then that the letter doesn't say anything of the sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justthefacts View Post
    They were arrested for illegally funneling Russian money to the #1 pro-Trump Super PAC! A PAC whose events Don Jr speaks at. A PAC led by former members of the Trump admin. A PAC whose chairman used to be Don Jr's good friend Tommy Hicks. (Hicks left to become the RNC co-chair, BTW.) A PAC whose leadership Don Jr's girlfriend used to vice chair. This isn't mere association.
    The RNC has had so many of the best people in the Trump era. Steve Wynn. Michael Cohen. Now this guy. Amazing.

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    I'm not sure whether to put this here or under the impeachment inquiry, but it fits in both places. I could go on and on, but I'll be brief. What's going on here is way bigger than meets the eye. It's way more than one phone call with Ukraine, way bigger than kissing Turkish or Russian ass because of a hotel. This is major, international organized crime, and there's a great deal of money and power at stake here. Whether or not Trump intended to get elected, he's certainly making the best of the outcome. He's mobilized the power and influence of the U.S. government to form alliances with other criminal governments and form an unprecedented transnational crime syndicate. Everything that has occurred, is occurring, and will occur makes sense when you view it in that prism. This is not partisan, but the criminals use partisan and populist politics (as well as lies and deception, of course) to form domestic support for these activities. There may come a time when this becomes too big and too powerful to do anything about, so the quicker this can be nipped in the bud, the better. The Republicans are well aware of all of this, and they're going to have to decide whether they want to be an American political party or an agent of a transnational crime syndicate.

    When my wife and I traveled to Russia in 2000 to adopt our girls, we were made aware of the reach of the Russian mafia. At the time, they reputedly controlled about 40 percent of that country's economy, so you couldn't remove the cancer without killing the patient. It's probably even more dominant now. It's long been rumored and reported how widespread the Russian mafia has been operating in the U.S., but its impact and influence have been uncertain. One way or another, it's a mistake to think of them as "over there" or even as potent here but not a threat to our way of life. The Russians have never abandoned their dreams of conquering the West, but the strategy hasn't been conventional since the fall of the Soviet Union. To be able to team up with a criminal U.S. administration, aligned with other criminal governments around the world, has to be beyond Russia's wildest dreams. It's not going too far to say this is a serious threat to this country and even our sovereignty. Indeed, much damage has already been done domestically and abroad.

    Even lefties on this board will consider this incredible, but watch what continues to happen, and tell me it's doesn't all point in this direction.
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    There's no denying that he has done what Putin would want at every turn and embraced dictators and spurned allies in ways that don't make any sense for anyone that is looking out for the best interests of the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justthefacts View Post
    You've posted about this before, and I pointed out then that the letter doesn't say anything of the sort.
    Well, if you know the “code”, it’s exactly what they are threatening. Just b/c the quid pro quo isn’t stated or threatened or mentioned, we’ve been told that it is implied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    There's no denying that he has done what Putin would want at every turn and embraced dictators and spurned allies in ways that don't make any sense for anyone that is looking out for the best interests of the US.
    Very little “makes any sense” to you that doesn’t involve Putin being helped by Trump. It’s called ‘confirmation bias’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    Well, if you know the “code”, it’s exactly what they are threatening. Just b/c the quid pro quo isn’t stated or threatened or mentioned, we’ve been told that it is implied.
    The letter is here: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/m...estigation.pdf

    It:
    a) Asks Ukraine to stop denying its prosecutors the ability to work with Mueller
    b) Is about Manafort
    c) Does not threaten the discontinuation of aid, but instead references that Ukraine thought the Trump admin might discontinue aid if the investigations continued. The headline from article it references is "Ukraine, Seeking U.S. Missiles, Halted Cooperation With Mueller Investigation" https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/w...-missiles.html



    I do like, however, how ultimately the only defense of Trump corruption is that others are corrupt too. The logic is basically that it's OK that Trump doesn't Drain the Swamp because there is a Swamp. Just admit that Trump has no intention of Draining the Swamp and you never really cared whether he did or didn't so long as he owned the libs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    Very little “makes any sense” to you that doesn’t involve Putin being helped by Trump. It’s called ‘confirmation bias’.
    Spock in "The Conscience of the King": "Even in this corner of the galaxy, Captain, two plus two equals four."

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