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  1. #256

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpodoll68 View Post
    Westbrook is just like Marbury except a vastly superior player in every way. That being said, I wouldn't want him on the Wolves unless it's a salary dump, which I'm sure OKC isn't willing to do.
    He's making 38 million. I'd to Wigs, Teague, and Okogie. Thats it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bemidjigopher View Post
    Sorry your panties are in a bunch over an overrated back up PG. One of us one of us goober gobble goober gobble one of us......

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    actually, the correct quote from the movie "Freaks" is:

    "We accept her, we accept her. One of us, one of us. Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyJamesMD View Post
    He's making 38 million. I'd to Wigs, Teague, and Okogie. Thats it.
    Right, that's a salary dump. Wiggins and Teague are both useless, and Okogie is a promising young player who may not prove to be anything more than the 8th or 9th guy in a rotation.

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    RandBall: Shabazz Napier might be a better fit for Wolves than Tyus Jones

    *An interesting side note to the Wolves’ roster reshuffling and decision not to match Tyus Jones’ three-year, $28 million offer in Memphis: Based on a new metric introduced this week by FiveThirtyEight, Minnesota might have a defensive upgrade at point guard already on its roster.

    The new metric, which tracks shot data, defensive positioning and opponent field goal percentage, says that last season Shabazz Napier — acquired by the Wolves from the Warriors after playing in Brooklyn last season — was worth plus-1.92 points per 100 possessions based on his scoring defense.

    That was the best mark of ANY point guard in the NBA last season who played at least 2,000 possessions and put Napier in the top-30 of an overall list dominated by seven-footers with long wing spans.

    Jones, meanwhile, was in the bottom 25 of all players at minus-1.79 points per 100 possessions last season.

    Neither player, it should be noted, qualified for the larger sample size of 10,000+ possessions played since 2013-14. Also keep in mind this only accounts for shooting defense; Jones clearly has other valuable defensive skills and instincts.

    But it is interesting to see that Napier, by the reckoning of this new metric, was worth almost 4 points more per 100 possessions than Jones last year based solely on shooting defense. It likely speaks to more quickness and ability to contest a shot.

    Those are valuable traits, and they form part of the framework of what might be an unpopular opinion: Napier, whose one-year, $1.88 million contract became fully guaranteed Wednesday, might offer equal (or more) production than Jones next season for a fraction of the cost of Jones’ deal at $9.3 million per year.

    The Wolves were pushed into that business decision in large part because of a philosophical shift under Gersson Rosas and because of other bloated contracts clogging up their salary cap. If they want to be nimble next offseason, they don’t want more salary on the books.

    But as they say, necessity is the mother of invention.

    When it’s easier to simply pay Jones, you probably do it without thinking as hard about it. And as much as I like Tyus as a person and appreciate his skills on the court, he’s not an ideal fit as a backup point guard because he isn’t a great shooter nor a great creator of his own high-percentage looks. His skill set is better suited for a starting role, but I’m not sure his overall skill warrants that.

    In a similar number of career minutes as Jones, Napier has attempted twice as many three-pointers and made them at a higher rate (35.4 vs. 33.3). Their offensive efficiency numbers the last two seasons, when playing time increased for both players, are similar.

    The downside for the Wolves is this: Jones just turned 23, while Napier will be 28 in three days. Napier pretty much is what he is, while Jones could still get better.

    As a backup point guard fit, though, Napier might be better and more productive.

    http://www.startribune.com/shabazz-n...nes/512586922/

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  5. #260

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    Looks like Westbrook is on his way to Houston.

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    Sid: Glen Taylor stands behind Gersson Rosas as Timberwolves reshape roster

    While Taylor couldn’t be reached for comment on the decision to let Jones go, he did talk earlier this week about how he views the first offseason under Rosas.

    “I like him very much. I like the work that he is doing, and I like the staff that he is putting around himself,” Taylor said. “I think the only thing that didn’t work out the way that we hoped was we went after [former Nets point guard D’Angelo] Russell and thought that he was interested in us only to find out he made a deal with Golden State.

    “Other than that these are the type of players we hoped to fill our bench with, guys that have big upside and that we can sign to contracts and keep them around.”

    Is he worried about going over the salary cap?

    “We’re over the cap but we’re not into the tax situation, yet,” Taylor said.

    The Wolves have added some young players with upside such as center Jordan Bell (one year, $1.62 million), point guard Shabazz Napier (one year, $1.88 million), power forward Noah Vonleh (one year, $2 million) and small forward Jake Layman (three years, $11.5 million), but for the most part they didn’t make any risky moves.

    But the fact is this club also lost some really key veteran players in Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson, Anthony Tolliver and Luol Deng to free agency.

    And while there’s no doubt Taylor was not happy about the players leaving, it was mainly just a case of salary cap issues and former players getting bigger contracts, like Rose getting $15 million for two years from Detroit.

    http://www.startribune.com/glen-tayl.../?refresh=true

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpodoll68 View Post
    Right, that's a salary dump. Wiggins and Teague are both useless, and Okogie is a promising young player who may not prove to be anything more than the 8th or 9th guy in a rotation.
    Well, OKC just got two more first round picks. If they can swing Paul for more picks and expirings (or close to), i will fall out of the chair i am sitting in and claim Sam Presti as a god

  9. #264

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    Nearly every team in the conference got better this off season and we are worse. I'm not going to argue with letting Gibson and Rose go. I think the Saric move was probably OK, though it bothers me that we drafted another player who can't shoot. I'm even fairly OK with not keeping Tyus at $9M/year. He's a solid backup who runs the team well and plays good defense. He's also undersized, not athletic and he can't shoot. I would have kept him for $6M/year.

    I'm not concerned about KAT leverage hysteria for at least three years. He has no practical leverage until he has two years left on his deal.

    I'm concerned about who's not here and why. KAT's good buddy Russell was gone in a blink once GS showed interest. GS is a declining, tenuous situation that is not a good on the court fit for Russell, but he grabbed it with no hesitation. (I'm not claiming Russell is the "be all." However, he has talent. I was fine not signing him if the Plan B was something better than Shabazz Napier.) There were probably half a dozen decent free agents who signed $5M-$10M/year contracts after the first wave that we were not in on. We signed guys who were going nowhere elsewhere for cheap, short deals. That's not a championship or even a playoff path.

    If the plan now is to tank again and go into 2020 with a high draft pick and a lot of cap space, it's fool's gold. This is not a free agent hot spot. I don't think the next Zion will wear a wolves' cap on draft day next year. If the plan is for Wigs to blossom in his sixth year and become KAT's second star, also fool's gold.

    I thought the new management team was playing 12D chess a month ago. I still think they are strong long term, but this is their "Welcome to the NBA, this is a helluva lot harder than it looks" phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamiche View Post
    Nearly every team in the conference got better this off season and we are worse. I'm not going to argue with letting Gibson and Rose go. I think the Saric move was probably OK, though it bothers me that we drafted another player who can't shoot. I'm even fairly OK with not keeping Tyus at $9M/year. He's a solid backup who runs the team well and plays good defense. He's also undersized, not athletic and he can't shoot. I would have kept him for $6M/year.

    I'm not concerned about KAT leverage hysteria for at least three years. He has no practical leverage until he has two years left on his deal.

    I'm concerned about who's not here and why. KAT's good buddy Russell was gone in a blink once GS showed interest. GS is a declining, tenuous situation that is not a good on the court fit for Russell, but he grabbed it with no hesitation. (I'm not claiming Russell is the "be all." However, he has talent. I was fine not signing him if the Plan B was something better than Shabazz Napier.) There were probably half a dozen decent free agents who signed $5M-$10M/year contracts after the first wave that we were not in on. We signed guys who were going nowhere elsewhere for cheap, short deals. That's not a championship or even a playoff path.

    If the plan now is to tank again and go into 2020 with a high draft pick and a lot of cap space, it's fool's gold. This is not a free agent hot spot. I don't think the next Zion will wear a wolves' cap on draft day next year. If the plan is for Wigs to blossom in his sixth year and become KAT's second star, also fool's gold.

    I thought the new management team was playing 12D chess a month ago. I still think they are strong long term, but this is their "Welcome to the NBA, this is a helluva lot harder than it looks" phase.
    I guess I fail to see how the Wolves are worse. At the very least they stayed about the same. They were always very limited on what they were going to be able to accomplish with no cap space this offseason. They were able to move up in the draft and take Culver. Add him to a healthy Covington and Teague and this team still has the potential to be entertaining and win some games.

    After this season Teague's contract expires, and Dieng enters his final year. They'll have a lot more flexibility next offseason.

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    Is it just me or do the wolves still feel like the Garnet days, but its KAT with an under-welming, yet over paid, supporting cast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by march madness View Post
    Is it just me or do the wolves still feel like the Garnet days, but its KAT with an under-welming, yet over paid, supporting cast?
    Well, KG was better than KAT is, and he also had several teams with better supporting casts than KAT has ever had. It's sobering to think that the best KG could ever do here is conference finals, and we are so far removed from that it's not comprehensible at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpodoll68 View Post
    Well, KG was better than KAT is, and he also had several teams with better supporting casts than KAT has ever had. It's sobering to think that the best KG could ever do here is conference finals, and we are so far removed from that it's not comprehensible at this point.
    I'd rephrase this a bit and say "it's sobering to think the best KG could ever do here is get out of the first round one time." That's a sickening stat.

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    per Shooter:

    It would take a multi-player trade to get Russell and salary-cap flexibility, and that’s among reasons the Wolves allowed Jones to sign with Memphis. Wolves point guard Jeff Teague and his $19 million salary this year will be gone after the season, but the Wolves still will have to find a way to dump the preposterous $17.3 million Gorgui Dieng has coming for the 2020-21 season.

    And who knows — maybe Andrew Wiggins ($27.5 million this season) will wake up and have a decent-enough season that new management can find a trading partner.

    https://www.twincities.com/2019/07/1...-term-rentals/

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    per Shooter:

    Considering their salary cap restrictions, the Timberwolves’ recent one-year, $2 million free agent signing of 6-9 Noah Vonleh is a nice addition for first-year team president Gersson Rosas.

    Just 23, the former Indiana University power forward on a good team would be a decent backup, but he rebounds and plays defense enough to help. And he’s an especially hard worker, a strong character guy.

    Rosas has been busy finding pieces like Vonleh to be in place next season when he can acquire a marquee talent, perhaps D’Angelo Russell.

    By the way, a common thread with virtually all the players Rosas has acquired since taking over has been that they play dogged defense.

    https://www.twincities.com/2019/07/1...-term-rentals/

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