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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    The programs have only worsened the problems for the most part. What should happen is that the church should grow while the government and its programs gradually shrink. In a properly functioning world the church would be big and the government would be small. The families would be committed and intact. Last week my church was at a couple of missions in another city serving meals all week. I was there. I actually saw lives being mended from the damage of drugs, alcohol and broken families. There was brokenness but also hope.

    I am fine with keeping most of the programs we have while people remain addicted to them. We have an obligation to keep promises that have been made. Let's not add more unsustainable and damaging programs that create dependency. I think we can improve some of the existing programs by attaching more expectations to them over time.
    I couldn't disagree more. Which church? I've seen first hand extremely destructive activity in the name of religion. I want nothing to do with them. While certainly many religious people are good people, religion is fundamentally EVIL.

    A perfect charity would treat everyone the same. No name, no race, no age, no sex, NO RELIGION. In other words, a secular charity where we all have a say, not some dude with a bible in his hand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    His family and all the people on board will never fly that type of plane again. Problem solved.
    have government regulate planes. They'll still fall out of the sky and kill your family. But at least your family will have the satisfaction that scary unregulated capitalism wasn't the cause of their deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas-Gopher View Post
    Yes. The conservatives have found their Trump, in that they will criticize everything she says as a knee jerk reaction, even when she's right. I say the same thing to them I've been saying to libs about Trump for the last couple years; if you react out of emotion instead of reason, you're just one of the sheep.
    I'm certainly not emotional about AOC, except that dance video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    have government regulate planes. They'll still fall out of the sky and kill your family. But at least your family will have the satisfaction that scary unregulated capitalism wasn't the cause of their deaths.
    Police don't stop all crime, let's get rid of the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    Police don't stop all crime, let's get rid of the police.
    Government protecting rights (NOT EQUAL TO) government destroying rights

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    have government regulate planes. They'll still fall out of the sky and kill your family. But at least your family will have the satisfaction that scary unregulated capitalism wasn't the cause of their deaths.
    Would you feel that much better if the guy inspecting the plane worked for Boeing/Airbus inc. versus the FAA?

    Boeing's reaction to this crash proves your lie. They say there's no problem, no problem. Now there's a "fix in 2 weeks." I'm sure in a completely unregulated market they would have admitted the issue immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas-Gopher View Post
    I couldn't disagree more. Which church? I've seen first hand extremely destructive activity in the name of religion. I want nothing to do with them. While certainly many religious people are good people, religion is fundamentally EVIL.

    A perfect charity would treat everyone the same. No name, no race, no age, no sex, NO RELIGION. In other words, a secular charity where we all have a say, not some dude with a bible in his hand.
    Yes, religion has been used by evil men to do bad. Most of the evil done has been done in the name of secular humanism, which is also a religion. Communist China, Nazi Germany, USSR- there's 100 million plus murders right there. Islam is a counterfeit religion which has done great evil and put whole sections of the globe in ruin.

    Odd that with all this, you would pick the Bible to criticize.

    It is typical though. Men see the travails of the world and blame God for the deeds of men. It saves mankind from any guilt and we often choose to put faith in ourselves, the true sinners.

    BTW- the charity I served at treated the recipients of the food equally regardless of where they were at. Faith comes to those who want it and are looking for more than a meal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    Would you feel that much better if the guy inspecting the plane worked for Boeing/Airbus inc. versus the FAA?

    Boeing's reaction to this crash proves your lie. They say there's no problem, no problem. Now there's a "fix in 2 weeks." I'm sure in a completely unregulated market they would have admitted the issue immediately.
    Would you feel much better if the guy inspecting the plane worked for the FAA? This is a completely regulated market. Boeing's reaction is in your ideal world, so if you don't like it, maybe you should shut up and accept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfing18now View Post
    So you would like more government regulation to minimize the possibility of a plane falling into your home or crashing while flying. Reasonable. However, I'm sure you would also admit your family is much more likely to be involved in a car crash tragedy on your drive to the airport with or without government intervention based on the overall safety of the industry as a whole. However, at the end of the day (with government intervention) less tragedy overall.

    Could I make a similar case for border security? While I might grant you crimes are committed on a greater basis proportionally by non-illegals than by illegals....why should I feel good about that if I'm a victim of a crime from an illegal? If we had tighter borders and less illegals running around, wouldn't that lead to a lower volume of crime (not proportionally) overall?
    Speaking of car crashes; I prefer our current system where cars, roads, road rules are regulated. I would hate to be driving from one town with a posted speed limit of one mileage where they drive on the right side into another town where they donít post the speed limit and drive on the left.

    I also like the idea that folks who drive 4000lb machines are required to prove their ability to operate them. And should they run into me or my house because they are required to have insurance to pay for the damage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    His family and all the people on board will never fly that type of plane again. Problem solved.
    And logical too!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    Government protecting rights (NOT EQUAL TO) government destroying rights
    Irrelevant. Your logic lacks parallelism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas-Gopher View Post
    Yes. The conservatives have found their Trump, in that they will criticize everything she says as a knee jerk reaction, even when she's right. I say the same thing to them I've been saying to libs about Trump for the last couple years; if you react out of emotion instead of reason, you're just one of the sheep.
    Kudos for being consistent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    Would you feel that much better if the guy inspecting the plane worked for Boeing/Airbus inc. versus the FAA?

    Boeing's reaction to this crash proves your lie. They say there's no problem, no problem. Now there's a "fix in 2 weeks." I'm sure in a completely unregulated market they would have admitted the issue immediately.
    Humans are inherently unfair, liars, and cheaters. No system, capitalism, socialism, or anything, will ever solve this fundamental deficient behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherJake View Post
    Your logic lacks parallelism.
    He doesn’t know what that means

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    Government protecting rights (NOT EQUAL TO) government destroying rights
    But.....police arrest people which takes away their freedom. Notice I didnít say they were CONVICTED of a crime but accused and arrested. So we should do away with the police?

    Donít hurt yourself answering.


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