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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Murphy is going to be a huge loss. However, our shooting and guard play has been what has made this team look bad often times. Let's see it Pitino is able to go out and get a banger and a couple of shooters. If he does, don't be surprised if this team is better next year than this. I expect Coffey to come back and be even better and perhaps improve his shooting and ball handling. I am guessing that Carr will be a good upgrade for the guard play. Guard play is huge in college buckets.

    Despite our poor shooting team, one of the worst shooting teams I have seen here, we are in the tournament. That means that the coach and players did other things right and certainly much of that was on the defensive end where we improved as the year went along.
    bga, you could be right. However, as of now, it is simple fact that we are returning 3 regular players for next year and it is anyone's guess what next year holds. Carr, Willis and Washington could be lighting it up and I hope they do. As of right now, none of the 3 are playing and tough to judge them without seeing them. We are also losing 2 of the 3 bigs that played yesterday. Simply put, there are a lot of unknowns. Let's hope Curry gets and stays healthy, IW and Pitino sort through whatever needs sorting, the new guys we know about are great and Pitino fills out the class to add some much needed depth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by golfing18now View Post
    Good to hear. I'm glad you strive for consistency in your evaluation of the Gopher program.

    Here's hoping they draw an undermanned VCU team and win the game. Then we can jointly proclaim we just witnessed the best season of Gopher basketball (tied) for the last 29 years and opine how silly it would be to move on from the coach who led us to that accomplishment.
    Looking forward to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by manderson1984 View Post
    You sure that's all?

    I don't even know where to start with this one. 1. Do you like winning more or playing everyone? 2. Pitino is by no means a tyrant or even close to being a screamer or a yeller. If anything he's too damn nice. Would you rather the assistants sit there and not do anything? Most of their job is to help players have they've been pulled out and watch for adjustments during the game. 3. Gabe is a positive guy and your logic to why he wouldn't support Pitino would be great to hear. 4. Nevermind I don't have enough time.

    Obviously everyone here is in favor of winning but the lack of depth has been an issue for Pitinos 6 years here, Not sure you could ever call it a strength. On a game by game basis you dont need to play a bunch of players as most of these kids can play all 40 minutes no problem. Playing more guys would hopefully result in more player development and thus a more consistent rise of the program, not the roller coaster ride that hinges on everyone being healthy (or eligible). I dont blame him for going to a short bench at this point in the season but there were definitely early season games i felt he could have stretched the bench a bit more w/o putting the game at risk. Not sure if that will change now with the NET factoring in efficiency and the gophers having a poor taste in their mouth of a low NET relative to the rest of the metrics. Guessing he will ride the starters even harder in next years non-con schedule to try and gain have better efficiency numbers.

    Probably my biggest complaint/concern on the year is coming into the season with presumed depth and each of IW Stull and Curry all with their own reasons not being the contributors i thought they would be at this point in the season.

    With that being said i am still a fan of his and have appreciated his handling of the numerous off-court issues as well as his apparent good relationship with the players. I thoroughly enjoy his sense of humor and sarcasm in interviews, twitter, etc. Hopefully he has learned from his first 6 years and nowhere but up from here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benlaur View Post
    bga, you could be right. However, as of now, it is simple fact that we are returning 3 regular players for next year and it is anyone's guess what next year holds. Carr, Willis and Washington could be lighting it up and I hope they do. As of right now, none of the 3 are playing and tough to judge them without seeing them. We are also losing 2 of the 3 bigs that played yesterday. Simply put, there are a lot of unknowns. Let's hope Curry gets and stays healthy, IW and Pitino sort through whatever needs sorting, the new guys we know about are great and Pitino fills out the class to add some much needed depth.
    Oturu, Coffey, Kalsheuer and Carr are a pretty good starting point. I think we can be pretty confident on Carr since he has done it on a high level. Beyond that, we don't know and that's why I said he needs to get a banger and some shooters. I'd love to see him go get a blazing fast point guard like lil Dre as a complimentary piece as well. I sure hope Curry gets healthy and Omersa develop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodasGold View Post
    Re-up him with a contract light on commitment and regard. That’s sure to wow him!
    You dont need to wow a coach with bad reccord, you wow a coach with a great record who is catching the attention of better jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfing18now View Post
    If they win one game in the tournament will you call it "tied for the best year in Gopher basketball in the last 25 years"? If they win two, would it be the best Gopher year of the last 25 years?
    Yes to the second for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfing18now View Post
    Good to hear. I'm glad you strive for consistency in your evaluation of the Gopher program.

    Here's hoping they draw an undermanned VCU team and win the game. Then we can jointly proclaim we just witnessed the best season of Gopher basketball (tied) for the last 29 years and opine how silly it would be to move on from the coach who led us to that accomplishment.
    It would be absurd to try to minimize a tournament win. Just as absurd as doing it with 2013. Just as absurd as minimizing a 9 win football season. Somehow the most successful seasons in more than a decade for football and basketball are the most criticized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthSeeker View Post
    This is the right take. We're essentially going year-to-year with Pitino. That's not a good place for a program to be. He either needs a long-term commitment, or he needs to go. I am sure he is aware of this as well.

    Don't be surprised if Pitino leaves for a new job. That'd be the smart play for him. He's guaranteed 1 more year here based on this year's performance. At another P6 school, he's guaranteed another 4 years. I know which I'd choose.
    he owns a house year and his children appear to have established roots here. that has to be apart of Pitino's calculation when evaluating his job prospects. I think Pitino would rather stay another year and see if he can earn a 5 year extension as opposed to bailing for a program where he is going to have to start all over (on the court and at home).

    Pitino also has 2 guys (Carr and Willis) who transferred here and sat out a year just to see the floor as a Gopher. would be kind of a dick move if Pitino abandoned them plus Tre Williams, plus the 3 freshman we had this year. Pitino has 6 players who are squarely his guys who all have 3+ years of eligibility as a Gopher. That doesn't even include Coffey, Curry, Hurt, and Washington whom Pitino also recruited. If Pitino is under contract, hard to see him leave all those guys behind... They could be a tournament team depending on how Spring recruiting goes..

    Beyond all of that, I definitely want Pitino back next year and wouldn't be mad if we gave him an extension that keeps him under contract for 4 more years.

    If next year doesn't work out too well, I could see him going to the east coast to a school like his alma mater Providence. Despite some of his struggles, Pitino will have 2 tournament appearances before the age of 37.. Even if we struggle next year, I could see him getting interest from an east coast team who will understand that some of our struggles were beyond his control (I do blame Pitino for Lynch, however, considering there were open rumors regarding his ugly/criminal behavior)

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Gard is 45-29 ! Just went 14-6. He has already been to a sweet 16 and is considered far ahead of Pitino in his profession. We would trade right now.
    Speak for yourself, I would never trade Pitino for Gard! He has followed on with the Sconny system, but I would rather be bled with leaches than watch that style of Basketball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Zero interest from other power 6 programs for Pitino.
    I call B.S. on this.. you really don't think Providence would hire Pitino?

    EDIT: I think Cooley gets another year, but if Pitino does two and both teams struggle next season, I could see Providence going after Pitino
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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedsmaroonandgold View Post
    You dont need to wow a coach with bad reccord, you wow a coach with a great record who is catching the attention of better jobs.
    You don’t even need to extend a coach with a bad record.
    ~ Wright about Life - Having fun with words since 1989 ~

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedsmaroonandgold View Post
    It would be absurd to try to minimize a tournament win. Just as absurd as doing it with 2013. Just as absurd as minimizing a 9 win football season. Somehow the most successful seasons in more than a decade for football and basketball are the most criticized.
    It's fair to state that Minnesota beat an undermanned UCLA team in 2013, their best player (can't remember if it was two players) didn't play. Sometimes teams get favorable draws, which is what all of us are hoping for this year as we recognize the Gophers aren't that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    Speak for yourself, I would never trade Pitino for Gard! He has followed on with the Sconny system, but I would rather be bled with leaches than watch that style of Basketball.


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    To be fair, has our brand of basketball this year been any more fun than Wisconsin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherHoopsFan View Post
    It's fair to state that Minnesota beat an undermanned UCLA team in 2013, their best player (can't remember if it was two players) didn't play. Sometimes teams get favorable draws, which is what all of us are hoping for this year as we recognize the Gophers aren't that good.
    Jordan Adams was who was out, and he was not their best player. Larry Drew II and Shabazz Muhammad were both first-team All-Pac 12, and Kyle Anderson was second-team.

    I've posted it here before, but I believe something like 7 or 8 players on that UCLA team had at least a cup of coffee in the NBA. It goes without saying, but zero Gophers did.

    No one (I should say, no one being honest) considered it a "favorable draw" at the time. The revisionist history is mind-boggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbfbp View Post
    Please excuse my presumptuousness in speaking for us as a group.

    Many of us wanted him gone. We all know the reasons why so there is no reason to rehash them here.

    As far as this season, the question is: Did Pitino do enough to save his job? I think the answer is a clear "Yes." The team will have at least 20 wins this year and a very likely NCAA tournament appearance; that's a significant one-year turnaround. At least 20 wins is pretty good with this team (which, let's face it, did not have much depth in talent) in a very competitive conference and tonight was a gutsy win, warts and all.

    So, I feel fine cheering for as much success as possible for the team (and the coach) for the rest of this year. At this point, I'm not terribly optimistic about next year, so we can commence bitching about Pitino and begging for him to be fired then.
    Can his ass!

    We were below .500 in the big 10 and looked like hell last night.

    What am I missing that you see?

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