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    Default Will these coaches ever lead a Power 5 program again? (Tracey Claeys)

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    Tracey Claeys: He was an established Defensive Coordinator who stepped into the head coach position in the middle of Minnesota’s 2015 season. Jerry Kill took an indefinite leave of absence, due to struggles with epilepsy. From that point on Claeys coached 19 games with the Golden Gophers. He finished with an 11-8 record, including a 9-4 campaign that included a bowl win. However, he was fired for standing behind his teams’ boycott in support of several of Claeys’ players accused of sexual assault. The move was controversial and the embattled coach had very little support. It’s no surprise that Kill’s recent remarks about current Minnesota Coach P.J. Fleck maybe had something to do with the University’s fallout with Claeys’. After all it was Kill who was perfectly fine with Clayes being his successor. Despite Claeys’ shortcomings, he’s on the right path to becoming a Power 5 Head Coach again. Mike Leach hired Claeys as his Defensive Coordinator at Washington State after Alex Grinch accepted an assistant position at Ohio State. What’s ironic about the entire ordeal is the last team Claeys played against as Minnesota’s Coach was Leach’s Cougars. It’ll be interesting to see how Claeys’ experiment goes with the Air Raid wizard.

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    At a G5 school maybe. I don't see it happening at a P5 school though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 View Post
    At a G5 school maybe. I don't see it happening at a P5 school though.
    Not going down the rabbit hole again of exactly why Claeys was fired (more to it then just standing with players during boycott). If he wants to be a head coach I would think he will get an opportunity at some point at however I won't be shocked one bit if Claeys never returns to being a head coach. I just don't think he has the desire to be in the head spot and is very willing to be a high level position coach.

    On a side note, I would love to see us hit a point where we stop posting updates involving Kill/Claeys or former members of that staff. We don't really track Brewster or Mason's guys anymore. Need to close the book on that chapter of Gopher history and look to what is hopefully a bigger and better future for Gopher football.

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    He just doesn't seem to be right for an HC job. DC is his prime spot and he is great at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNVCGUY View Post
    Not going down the rabbit hole again of exactly why Claeys was fired (more to it then just standing with players during boycott). If he wants to be a head coach I would think he will get an opportunity at some point at however I won't be shocked one bit if Claeys never returns to being a head coach. I just don't think he has the desire to be in the head spot and is very willing to be a high level position coach.

    On a side note, I would love to see us hit a point where we stop posting updates involving Kill/Claeys or former members of that staff. We don't really track Brewster or Mason's guys anymore. Need to close the book on that chapter of Gopher history and look to what is hopefully a bigger and better future for Gopher football.
    I understand your side note, but I don't see it happening. I think there is always going to be a "what if..." question around Kill and Claeys. Had Kill remained healthy, where would this program be? Had Claeys not been fired, where would this program be? If Claeys does get another HC position and succeeds, would that have happened here? Etc. Both runs were ended in very odd fashion, which to me will make this argument stick around longer than Mason/Brewster (which for the record just finally died out a couple years ago). Unless Kill finally just goes away (doubtful) and Claeys retires (doubtful), this question will stick around a long time.

    Regarding Claeys, if he wants to be a HC again (not sure he does), I would think he'd have to have a stint at G5 or FCS before going back to Power 5. If it was going to happen, K State was the place and they hired someone else.

    I just can't imagine a Power 5 AD looking at what went down and not thinking that Claeys was openly insubordinate toward Coyle (whether that was the case or not, most would see it that way), thus not wanting to take a risk on him. Fundamentally, there are just too many other choices to go after that don't have that flag. A lower level school that maybe doesn't have the same access to better coaching choices I could see giving him that shot.

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    Would have to be the perfect fit. Probably with an AD that knows him and likes him.
    Because of how he handled that situation most ADS and presidents would be worried about hiring a guy who publicly went against his last administration

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeville Goldy View Post
    I understand your side note, but I don't see it happening. I think there is always going to be a "what if..." question around Kill and Claeys. Had Kill remained healthy, where would this program be? Had Claeys not been fired, where would this program be? If Claeys does get another HC position and succeeds, would that have happened here? Etc. Both runs were ended in very odd fashion, which to me will make this argument stick around longer than Mason/Brewster (which for the record just finally died out a couple years ago). Unless Kill finally just goes away (doubtful) and Claeys retires (doubtful), this question will stick around a long time.

    Regarding Claeys, if he wants to be a HC again (not sure he does), I would think he'd have to have a stint at G5 or FCS before going back to Power 5. If it was going to happen, K State was the place and they hired someone else.

    I just can't imagine a Power 5 AD looking at what went down and not thinking that Claeys was openly insubordinate toward Coyle (whether that was the case or not, most would see it that way), thus not wanting to take a risk on him. Fundamentally, there are just too many other choices to go after that don't have that flag. A lower level school that maybe doesn't have the same access to better coaching choices I could see giving him that shot.
    Spot on on all of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeville Goldy View Post
    I understand your side note, but I don't see it happening. I think there is always going to be a "what if..." question around Kill and Claeys. Had Kill remained healthy, where would this program be? Had Claeys not been fired, where would this program be? If Claeys does get another HC position and succeeds, would that have happened here? Etc. Both runs were ended in very odd fashion, which to me will make this argument stick around longer than Mason/Brewster (which for the record just finally died out a couple years ago). Unless Kill finally just goes away (doubtful) and Claeys retires (doubtful), this question will stick around a long time.

    Regarding Claeys, if he wants to be a HC again (not sure he does), I would think he'd have to have a stint at G5 or FCS before going back to Power 5. If it was going to happen, K State was the place and they hired someone else.

    I just can't imagine a Power 5 AD looking at what went down and not thinking that Claeys was openly insubordinate toward Coyle (whether that was the case or not, most would see it that way), thus not wanting to take a risk on him. Fundamentally, there are just too many other choices to go after that don't have that flag. A lower level school that maybe doesn't have the same access to better coaching choices I could see giving him that shot.
    He's been a HC and DC at two P5 programs. I think there is close to zero chance he would take or even entertain the possibility of an FCS HC position, and probably only a handful of G5 programs that could pay him close to what he makes as P5 DC. If he does have P5 HC opportunities in the future, it will be based on how he performs as DC at WSU. Doesn't hurt being in a program that runs an offense wildly different than what he's been exposed to over his career.

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    Take a look at it from another angle.

    Does TC's resume really scream "P5 HC!"?


    I don't think it does. An interim stint with some mishandling of PR ****, questionable AD and HC interactions (that is the guy who has to hire you....), some critical game issues, a nice upset win in a low level bowl, some good "diamond in the rough" but nothing to write home about as far as crooting ..... that's just not an impressive resume for P5 HC work.


    I like TC, he's a great DC, but if I didn't know him better and MN hired him as a HC.... I'd have SERIOUS reservations about his resume as far as HC work goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Slab_of_Bacon View Post
    Take a look at it from another angle.

    Does TC's resume really scream "P5 HC!"?


    I don't think it does. An interim stint with some mishandling of PR ****, questionable AD and HC interactions (that is the guy who has to hire you....), some critical game issues, a nice upset win in a low level bowl, some good "diamond in the rough" but nothing to write home about as far as crooting ..... that's just not an impressive resume for P5 HC work.


    I like TC, he's a great DC, but if I didn't know him better and MN hired him as a HC.... I'd have SERIOUS reservations about his resume as far as HC work goes.
    I mean, we have an AD that horribly mishandled the situation and aftermath, and can’t communicate to save his life....still employed at a P5 school. But yes, I agree TC isn’t flashy or loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pompous Elitist View Post
    I mean, we have an AD that horribly mishandled the situation and aftermath, and can’t communicate to save his life....still employed at a P5 school. But yes, I agree TC isn’t flashy or loud.
    From your perspective. From the perspective of an admin TC was insubordinate in a public forum.

    Even if another AD thought Coyle played it wrong, are they going to hire a coach that is going to publicly be insubornate if they ever play something wrong?
    I don’t think they will unless they know TC personally and like him

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    You’re projecting. Does Mike Leach worry about insubordination? Unlike some guys, Claeys has some principles he’s willing to suffer flack for. Admirable trait, even if you personally disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Some guy View Post
    From your perspective. From the perspective of an admin TC was insubordinate in a public forum.

    Even if another AD thought Coyle played it wrong, are they going to hire a coach that is going to publicly be insubornate if they ever play something wrong?
    I don’t think they will unless they know TC personally and like him
    If Bobby Petrino can get hired as a HC after the train-wreck he created...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMWinSTP View Post
    If Bobby Petrino can get hired as a HC after the train-wreck he created...
    No question Claeys can get hired again.
    All it takes is some admin that know him and think he can get the job done.

    There is a reason Petrinos next job after Arkansas were at places he had connections

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pompous Elitist View Post
    You’re projecting. Does Mike Leach worry about insubordination? Unlike some guys, Claeys has some principles he’s willing to suffer flack for. Admirable trait, even if you personally disagree.

    Mike Leach isn’t an admin. Admin would think completely different about hiring the face of a program than a head coach would think about hiring a coordinator. This is the exact same logic that has caused a guy with Leach’s success to top out at Texas Tech and Washington state as job locations. Admin are sfraid of him. I think admin would be afraid of Claeys. Why would I hire a good DC with baggage when I can hire a good DC without baggage unless I know the guy?

    Claeys has a 0% chance of being a head coach at a place where he doesn’t already have a good relationship with someone’s in the administration.
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