Do you agree with Jerry Kill's comments on Coach Fleck?

Do you agree with Jerry Kill's comments on Coach Fleck?

  • Yes, comments on Fleck's 1st wife, running down sideline. I agree with Kill taking shots at Fleck

    Votes: 15 9.7%
  • No, he went way over the top commenting on Fleck's wife and Kill is just bitter that Fleck beat UW.

    Votes: 140 90.3%

  • Total voters
    155
I'm a huge admirer of Jerry Kill.

But in this instance, I'm disappointed in him. He did himself a disservice. It would have been far wiser to say nothing. If asked, just say "no comment" and leave it at that.
 

What was Kill's motivation? Was it for the present day Gophers? Or was it all about Kill's ego. Gee, Jer, you're a hypocrite.

I think the motivation is much simpler. Kill does not like Fleck. In fact, it seems like Kill flat-out detests Fleck. And while doing an interview, for some reason, he decided to go off on Fleck and let the whole world know how he feels. Why he did that? maybe he just wanted to get it off his chest. maybe he thought people would agree with him. maybe he was having a bad reaction to his medication. I don't know. But the motivation is the same: Kill does not like Fleck. and he said so. in public.
 


I'm a huge admirer of Jerry Kill.

But in this instance, I'm disappointed in him. He did himself a disservice. It would have been far wiser to say nothing. If asked, just say "no comment" and leave it at that.

The crazy part of this one is that he wasn't asked, the interview was over and he went off on the tangent where he slams Fleck. I don't know if there was more in the main interview related to Fleck but at the end that was 100% Kill because the guys doing the interview were done with their questions.
 

You are right. Only winning 8 (or less) games is embarrassing. We should be critical in any season where coaches fail to do better than that.

The team was far from embarrassing. Not how you turned me calling it an above average season into embarrassing.
 


We do not know what brought this on. I believe there is an on going problem between the two coaches and and believe Fleck might put a few things in the face of Kill in other circles that we do not have access to. Fleck has zero respect for Kill and his staff. kill is not far off with his comments but still maybe did not need to say it publicly. None of this is news really. Fleck is easy to profile for lack of better words.
 

To say that I am disappointed in Jerry Kill is an understatement.

He is responsible for turning the program around and spearheading the Athletic Village project when Mega Tongue was ineffective.

That diatribe was so unlike the Jerry Kill we knew. I think perception goes a long way with the sex scandal, the unceremonious firing of Tracy Claeys, and PJ Fleck standing with Mark Coyle in the press conference and PJ Fleck alluding to changing the culture. (He was talking about his cultural approach). But, I remember thinking and wondering if Jerry Kill percieved that PJ Fleck was attacking his culture. I mean it came right after the sex scandal blew up on Claeys' face.
 

I don't usually like to listen to former coaches or players making negative comments on the current regime. But, in this case, what Kill said is absolutely correct. Fleck is just that bad. He has no respect for anything that is not Fleck centered. Fleck is for Fleck only.

LOL.
 

I really don't care what Kill thinks of Fleck. I just want a winner. Some people care WAY too much about the personality of the coaches on here. I just care if he wins games and stays out of trouble.
 



Kill was way over the line. I proudly voted no in this poll. Bringing up Kill's first wife is pathetic.
 

Reaction to Kill's rant

Here were some of my thoughts yesterday that I sent to some buddies via email:

There are always 2 roads one can take, and in this case, unfortunately, Jerry took the low road. Are we naïve enough to think that coaches like Sabin, Meyer, Alvarez, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, and others, do/did NOT have egos? Jim Wacker was one of the nicest and most humble men I’ve ever met, yet he was marched out of town because he couldn’t win. Also, what other coach have we ever hired who didn’t come in and start fresh with an entirely new staff of coaches. Answer: none! At the time Fleck was hired, we had up to 10 football players suspended from the team for sexual misconduct and Coach Claeys had on tap the lowest rated recruiting class in the BIG10. Fleck was hired specifically to bring in CHANGE! I remember him saying something like, “you want change, well this is what change looks like”.

I also have vivid memories of the sidelines during the 4th quarter of the Wisconsin game. There is flat-out no way that these kids don’t enjoy playing for Fleck. Personally, I have always had a lot of respect for Coach Kill, but I think all of this would have been better had it been left un-said. I don’t think that anything Fleck has ever done was to suggest that Coach Kill and his staff did NOT do an excellent job. I think Jerry took it personally that Fleck (and Coyle) inferred that so much “change” was needed and that must have been because the previous staff did not do a good enough job. If Kill had NOT retired and his health had improved, there is no way that Coyle fires him. I think it had more to do with what happened with Claeys during and after the suspensions, and the fact that Tracy wasn’t exactly a promotion machine when it came to selling the fan base or future recruits.

Could the transition been handled better, of course. Is that Fleck’s fault, of course NOT. All in all, Coach Kill’s comments never should have been aired on a national radio show. One of my fellow Gopher fans mentioned that history will sort this out. I think that process has already begun, with blow-out wins over Purdue, Wisconsin, and Georgia Tech and ending the season by winning 3 of the final 4. I saw a team having fun, enjoying playing for the current coach, and finally coming together with a little bit of a peek into the future. Sure, I get a little tired of some of Flecks sound bites (youngest team in America, ok I get that, you don’t have to keep telling me), but when you win these games and bring the axe back by drubbing the Badgers in their own house, that says more to me that all the Fleck - isms, or the rantings of a Coach that is still bitter about the way his staff was treated at Minnesota.


We were just listening to CCO and whomever the radio host is right now just spent about 10 minutes ripping Kill, but in a very respectful way. He made the comment that Kill had said that Fleck was a different person than he was in 2008. The CCO guy said, “well who isn’t?” I would hope that MOST people are, I know I am. He said that Yes, Claeys won 10 games, but the program was an utter mess and recruiting was way down. Change was definitely needed. This doesn’t mean that we don’t appreciate what Kill did for the program, he left it in better shape than when he came in. However, Claeys was NOT a head coach, at least at THIS level and he embarrassed the whole State on a national stage when he, in effect, supported the player’s boycott.

He said that a lot of fans don’t like Fleck’s running up and down the sidelines and slogans and such, mostly older fans. But guess what, college age kids LOVE it, they love wearing different uniforms, they love the enthusiasm. Those are the ones that really count when it comes to accepting Fleck. He said that if you have a problem with Fleck because of his unbridled enthusiasm, then maybe some self-reflection might be recommended.

Every point he made was right on and this appears to be a rallying point for many fans, in terms of backing Fleck. I don’t think Jerry knew what he was getting into by opening up this can of worms.
 
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Kill was way over the line. I proudly voted no in this poll. Bringing up Kill's first wife is pathetic.

He said he knew her. He did. It was just in the way of making the point that Fleck changed (ego got bigger over time), in Kill’s opinion.

There is nothing in the slightest out of line about that. It’s the internet’s fault (or perhaps agenda) for trying to blow that half-sentence up into something wayyyy different than was actually meant.
 

Here were some of my thoughts yesterday that I sent to some buddies via email: We were just listening to CCO and whomever the radio host is right now just spent about 10 minutes ripping Kill, but in a very respectful way. He made the comment that Kill had said that Fleck was a different person than he was in 2008. The CCO guy said, “well who isn’t?” I would hope that MOST people are, I know I am. He said that Yes, Claeys won 10 games, but the program was an utter mess and recruiting was way down. Change was definitely needed. This doesn’t mean that we don’t appreciate what Kill did for the program, he left it in better shape than when he came in. However, Claeys was NOT a head coach, at least at THIS level and he embarrassed the whole State on a national stage when he, in effect, supported the player’s boycott.

He said that a lot of fans don’t like Fleck’s running up and down the sidelines and slogans and such, mostly older fans. But guess what, college age kids LOVE it, they love wearing different uniforms, they love the enthusiasm. Those are the ones that really count when it comes to accepting Fleck. He said that if you have a problem with Fleck because of his unbridled enthusiasm, then maybe some self-reflection might be recommended.

Every point he made was right on and this appears to be a rallying point for many fans, in terms of backing Fleck. I don’t think Jerry knew what he was getting into by opening up this can of worms.

You nailed it right on the head.

The internet Fleck mob is trying like hell to use this moment to force every Gophers fan on their knees at swear fealty to the crown.
 




You nailed it right on the head.

The internet Fleck mob is trying like hell to use this moment to force every Gophers fan on their knees at swear fealty to the crown.

Did you read that in a comic book somewhere? For someone trying to make the point that an issue is overblown to then write that precious line is just...well, it's unique.
 

You really haven’t wantched Game of Thrones??
You and like five other people in the country, I guess
 

It's refreshing to hear someone speak his/her mind.
Fans put way too much trust in very flawed humans with a label of "coach" in front of their names.
It's funny that no one blinks an eye when Pelosi and Trump tear each other a new one, but Kill and Fleck can't state their disagreement with one another.
It's good to knock down the social norms surrounding speaking ones mind.
 


It's ironic that Kill is accusing Fleck of having a big ego, when it's Jerry's ego that causing him to make these comments.
 

Nor did he say he didn't care about the players???

Kill quote from article - "Do I think he’s about the players? No."

So what does that mean then? It is not just some random words. Just like Kill bringing up his first wife. Why? Many inferences can be made and some are what he really means, but he said it in such a way that it can be denied.


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I think Kill belongs to house Frey. Coyle is a Lannister, Fleck is a stark. I take that back Kill is Lord Baelish “littlefinger”
 
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My 2 cents.

Kill is a big loyalty guy and he needs the recognition. PJ was a young impressionable coach that Kill took under his wing. PJ has ambitions and wanted to expand his experience so he moved on. I suspect as PJ gained move confidence he may not have been as receptions Kill’s guidance and Kill took it as him being too cocky. It is understandably that as PJ got more set in “his way” of doing things that he would change in Kill’s eyes. PJ sees himself more in the mold of other coaches that tries to hire the “best” coaches as opposed to keeping old friends on the staff. Kill got upset that PJ flushed out all of his old coaches and brought in a new staff that buys into PJ. Any new coach is going to bring in his staff and his “culture.

It seems like Kill really feels like the U owes him. I appreciate what he did as a coach here, but Kill forgets what the U did for him. He was a somewhat respected small time coach. He had turned around a couple of small time schools, but nobody was fighting to hire him at the D1 level. The U gave him national recognition, respectability, top flight medical care and they even fixed his teeth. He would never have become a millionaire, nor had the platform for his causes, nor had the opportunities that he had without the U.

Kill is letting his ego destroy his legacy. He can pretty much just throw his Minnesota rolodex of contacts in the trash.


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So what does that mean then? It is not just some random words. Just like Kill bringing up his first wife. Why? Many inferences can be made and some are what he really means, but he said it in such a way that it can be denied.


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Kill is capable of simple speech without meaning. Got it.
 

I'm indifferent on this, of course a former guy is gonna bash the next one.. talking about his ex wife is a little much. Some recruits families have voiced this concern, deters some good recruits from coming here but that can happen with any school. Gotta have a fit, Flecks recruiting style isn't for everyone, but a lot of kids like it. Every head coach has an ego, some just show it more than others; doesn't mean its a bad thing
 

It's refreshing to hear someone speak his/her mind.
Fans put way too much trust in very flawed humans with a label of "coach" in front of their names.
It's funny that no one blinks an eye when Pelosi and Trump tear each other a new one, but Kill and Fleck can't state their disagreement with one another.
It's good to knock down the social norms surrounding speaking ones mind.

Actually there is way too much speaking one's mind today. I would argue it has lead to people shouting at each other without listening to each other. But, I'm a bit old fashioned I guess.
 

Actually there is way too much speaking one's mind today. I would argue it has lead to people shouting at each other without listening to each other. But, I'm a bit old fashioned I guess.
Nah. The problem isn't with speaking your mind. The problem is with the socio/political bullsh!t that happens in discussion boards after you speak your mind.
 

You really haven’t wantched Game of Thrones??
You and like five other people in the country, I guess

Probably less than 15 percent of all households even subscribe HBO (or even can if they do not have Dish, Cable or mobile device delivery), so I guess there are many like me who wonder why so much is made of these HBO serial programs.

The only HBO show I ever watched was Curb your Enthusiasm during a "free" HBO weekend on the Dish or in a hotel. I guess I watched "Girls" once and saw the daughter of Brian Williams get naked, unfortunately I also saw Lena Dunham get naked.
 

You really haven’t wantched Game of Thrones??
You and like five other people in the country, I guess

If you aren’t into the fantasy genre, it isn’t all that appealing. After season 2 imo it became more about fantasy than politics and became less interesting. Though the most recent season got interesting again.
 

You really haven’t wantched Game of Thrones??
You and like five other people in the country, I guess

I'm not into midget porn or dragons so count me as 1 of the 5 who hasn't watched GoT. Not everybody wants to watch what is it up to now 100 hours (?) of fake fantasy TV. What a waste of time.
 




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