Gophers_4life
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What about onside kicks then.....there would be no chance if a team is behind two scores late in the game.
They addressed that. Read the OP.
What about onside kicks then.....there would be no chance if a team is behind two scores late in the game.
Having a bit of trouble following. Are you saying that the authors of the study fabricated the data? That the NFL did not collect the data?
Here is a quote directly from the study: "During 2002-2007, concussions were recorded by NFL team physicians and athletic trainers using the same standardized reporting form used from 1996 to 2001. Player position, type of play, concussion signs and symptoms, loss of consciousness, and medical action taken were recorded."
Are you saying you know the above is not true? How do you know?
Or maybe I have missed your point?
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There is no evidence that KO are any more dangerous that any other play.
I'd like to see a study about pass plays over the middle when the QB fails to look off the DBs. Inexperienced QBs should be banned.
I've always felt that the receivers get clobbered more than the kick returners. Its a dangerous game much like hockey can be as well.
I absolutely don't believe it. The NFL didn't even admit concussions were a problem until after 2007, when Goodell became commissioner. So they collected data for 21 years before that they now use to change the rules? Come on.
I assume the source of the statistic is this:
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/SMH_Guideline_21_20160217.pdf
A pretty interesting document. Shows that the highest rate of concussions (perhaps the best indicator of risk) is in wrestling. Football is no. 2, before a drop to men’s ice hockey, women’s field hockey, and so on.
The rest of the document shows a problem-solving approach to the issue, regardless of the sport involved. Rather that argue that any one sport is good or bad, it focuses on protocols and procedures for all athletes.
I think an argument could be made that if kickoffs lead to 20% of concussions, a rule change might be worthy of consideration. Rule changes to promote player safety are nothing new. Perhaps a rule change could reduce the incidence of concussion in wrestling as well. But I suspect the the most effective way to reduce CTE, regardless of sport, is the kind of protocols described in the link. As research continues, no doubt the protocols will be improved. Hopefully these protocols, which are a long way from “he got his bell rung,” will be the primary method of reducing CTE over the long term.
If the youtube video data is correct from Gophers_4life there is 1 concussion every 157 kickoffs compared to 1 in every 241 plays.
Don't think they are talking about the kick returners. More often than not it is the guy blocking that is absorbing the big hits.
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With all that being said, I always find the kickoff an exciting play.
Each event is a play with a single player involved. Every play has 22 players involved. Do the math properly. Most of you have the answer on frequency way, way off the mark. Concussions are happening more than all of you reported on your individual analysis. And, if you would actually read the reports, they even tell you the results in plain language because they already did that work for the readers. Math literacy is wasted on so many well trained mathematicians! Why Lord! Why?
As I said before I’d like to see the kickoff concussion rate I’ve over the last 10 years. The rule change re formation may have had an effect (or not). I genuinely don’t know.
I’m one of the Neanderthals that believes the incidence of CTE in high school and college players is vanishingly low. Obviously my opinion could change as better data rolls in, although none of the vested parties on either side seem to be all that interested in gathering, collating, and publishing it which strikes me as curious. In the meantime I’m not jumping up and down for major changes to the fabric of the game.
As I said before I’d like to see the kickoff concussion rate I’ve over the last 10 years. The rule change re formation may have had an effect (or not). I genuinely don’t know.
I’m one of the Neanderthals that believes the incidence of CTE in high school and college players is vanishingly low. Obviously my opinion could change as better data rolls in, although none of the vested parties on either side seem to be all that interested in gathering, collating, and publishing it which strikes me as curious. In the meantime I’m not jumping up and down for major changes to the fabric of the game.
Even if it doesn’t help at all ... it doesn’t hurt at all. Removing kickoffs takes nothing away from the game. Kickoff TDs or significantly shortened fields are so rare that you can never depend on them I n any particular game. They’re just a bonus if they happen. Plenty of excitement in the rest of the game, ie 99.95% of the excitement on average.
And it stops exactly there, with no other changes being proposed or likely. So the slippery slope argument is invalid.
a many times higher rate of returns beyond the 25 yard line.
special teams have long been a way for younger, less experienced, backups to get playing time. Sometimes their play in special teams even leads to more playing time in general.