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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    If Fleck wins 8 games during the regular season this year, he will have a career record at the U of 20-17 for a career winning percentage of 0.541. That would make him the 2nd winningest head coach for the football program since Bernie Bierman going back to 1950, and the highest winning percentage of any coach since that time with at least 2 full seasons as head coach.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnes...phers_football

    1932–1941, 1945–1950 Bernie Bierman 16 93–35–6 .716
    1942–1944 George Hauser 3 15–11–1 .574
    1951–1953 Wes Fesler 3 10–13–4 .444
    1954–1971 Murray Warmath 18 87–78–7 .526
    1972–1978 Cal Stoll 7 39–39 .500
    1979–1983 Joe Salem 5 19–35–1 .355
    1984–1985 Lou Holtz 2 10–12 .455
    1986–1991 John Gutekunst 6 29–36–2 .448
    1992–1996 Jim Wacker 5 16–39 .291
    1997–2006 Glen Mason 10 64–57 .529
    2007–2010 Tim Brewster 4 15–30 .333
    2010 Jeff Horton 1 2–3 .400
    2011–2015 Jerry Kill 5 29–29 .500
    2015–2016 Tracy Claeys 2 11–8 .579
    2017–present P. J. Fleck 2 12–13 .480
    If he had 4 more right now he'd be 2nd.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RememberMurray View Post
    P. J. Fleck will climb toward the top of that list rapidly... and he'll do it without having to rely on any qualifiers. The ending to the 2018 season was no mirage. We are on an upward trajectory.
    Things looked better, for sure. You may want to look at what happened the last time Rossi took over for Smith, and that may temper enthusiasm a bit. We had a good end of the year. If we have a good year next year (8+ wins) we're moving up. Anything less, we are not moving up.
    If we want to fix what happened, you need to fire Coyle and Kaler as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Allah, this is pathetic.
    Let's not lose our heads now...
    "A lot of guys look good running around in underwear." - 414GopherFan

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    I like PJ, but sometimes I wonder how much more I would like him if it weren't for John Galt?

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    Post World War II, Bierman's record wasn't that good, either: 29-24-1. So you have to go back before World War II to find some big winning records, like Spears, Williams and the 1932-41 Bierman. It's been a long time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Plains Gopher View Post
    Post World War II, Bierman's record wasn't that good, either: 29-24-1. So you have to go back before World War II to find some big winning records, like Spears, Williams and the 1932-41 Bierman. It's been a long time...
    Oh, c'mon now!

    Warmath won a freakin' National Championship in 1960. That was pretty good, right? And he won a share of the B1G Title in '67.

    I know, I know — it's still 50+ years ago; but let's not get too forlorn and pretend we have to go back to early Bierman days in order to see any excellence!

    And I know people will say that 'the topic is coaches and their overall won-loss percentage'. But c'mon, folks... do we always have to be so darn Minnesota Morose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Fair point. I got lazy and didn’t want to go all the way back to the 1880s so I just included the link. There was one year we didn’t even have a coach. I figured no one on this board saw Gopher football before Bierman so to go back to his tenure in the 1940s was long enough.

    Anyways, the point remains. PJ will be in rarefied territory with 8 wins.
    If an 8 win season and a .541 winning percentage is rarefied territory, what does that make 9 wins and a .579 winning percentage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodburyTim View Post
    I like PJ, but sometimes I wonder how much more I would like him if it weren't for John Galt?
    Nail, meet head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_Loblaw View Post
    If an 8 win season and a .541 winning percentage is rarefied territory, what does that make 9 wins and a .579 winning percentage?
    You forget it's 9* wins, therefore it's not as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GFBfan View Post
    You forget it's 9* wins, therefore it's not as good.
    Also, it was accomplished by a head coach who didn't have two full seasons, therefore it doesn't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_Loblaw View Post
    If an 8 win season and a .541 winning percentage is rarefied territory, what does that make 9 wins and a .579 winning percentage?
    The best we've ever had?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GFBfan View Post
    You forget it's 9* wins, therefore it's not as good.
    He doesn't have to apologize for it, but we didn't win a trophy game or beat a top 25 team.

    I would bet most Gopher fans preferred this season's 7 wins that include wins over Wisky and Fresno St, and blowouts against Purdue and GT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeshurun View Post
    Let's not lose our heads now...
    Nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    He doesn't have to apologize for it, but we didn't win a trophy game or beat a top 25 team.

    I would bet most Gopher fans preferred this season's 7 wins that include wins over Wisky and Fresno St, and blowouts against Purdue and GT.
    Certainly enjoyed the last 4 games this year more than any stretch in the 2016 year. Winning back the axe was also freaking awesome. The 7 wins this year were great and the Wisc win counts as 2. But the blow out losses to Maryland, Nebraska and Illinois were ugly. Not once in the 2016 season did we have a game where we were completely outmatched like those three games.
    The games we did lose in 2016 were frustrating, because we were oh so close to winning each and every one of them.
    I'd take another 9 win season just like '16 this coming year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    He doesn't have to apologize for it, but we didn't win a trophy game or beat a top 25 team.

    I would bet most Gopher fans preferred this season's 7 wins that include wins over Wisky and Fresno St, and blowouts against Purdue and GT.
    They beat Purdue pretty soundly in 2016.

    You need to add more qualifiers to your initial post. We get what you're getting at, but you're getting sloppy.

    *In two full seasons
    *Where they beat GT by a lot
    *Where they beat Fresno State
    * Beating Purdue by 10+ doesn't matter
    * Not counting Oregon State wins

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