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    Quote Originally Posted by #2Gopher View Post
    Strange situation where Trump has brought all the crooks together and the public knows it. The Republicans have got to be getting tired of trying to defend all the wrong doings that Trump and his cronies have been doing.
    What is this crime that the public knows about?


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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    What is this crime that the public knows about?
    Do you not read, see or hear?

    Money laundering... does that ring a bell. See SDNY for details of connections between Trump, Deutch Bank, Russian oligarchs.
    You can call me Shirley. The "S" has to stand for something!

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    Trump-Russia collusion was a Clinton frame job from the get-go. It started when Glenn Simpson wrote a WSJ piece in 2007 accusing Bob Dole of surrounding himself with Russian comprised advisors like Paul Manafort, who were on the take from Russian oligarchs representing Putin, like Oleg Deripaska (Christopher Steele's employer) & Rinat Akhmetov (Trump Tower meeting). This was the blueprint for framing the Trump admin of colluding with the Russians. You'll notice the same names pop up in three separate incarnations of this scheme.

    Paul Manafort, a former adviser to Mr. Dole's presidential campaign, has advised a Ukrainian metals billionaire (Oleg Deripaska) and his close political ally, Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich.

    "Mr. Dole, for instance, disclosed in lobby filings with the U.S. Senate his work for Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska. He described it as involving "U.S. Department of State visa policies and procedures."

    "In 2003, the Russian industrialist (Deripaska) paid $300,000 to Mr. Dole's law firm, Alston & Bird, according to lobbying reports. After that, Mr. Dole worked to persuade U.S. officials his client isn't a criminal and that his business operations are transparent, said people with knowledge of the matter. In 2005, the State Department reversed itself and granted the visa. Mr. Deripaska then paid Mr. Dole and his firm an additional $260,000, filings show."

    "Mr. Deripaska, who has close ties to the Kremlin, emerged from Russia's "aluminum wars" of the 1990s with a virtual monopoly on the nation's aluminum production."


    "The former Dole strategist Mr. Manafort and a former Dole fund raiser, Bruce Jackson, have received fees and donations from Ukrainian billionaire Rinat Akhmetov (Of Trump Tower meeting infamy.), the political patron of Ukrainian Prime Minister Yanukovich."


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB11767...d/accounts-wsj
    Last edited by Costa Rican Gopher; 02-10-2019 at 09:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    Trump-Russia collusion was a Clinton frame job from the get-go. It started when Glenn Simpson wrote a WSJ piece in 2007 accusing Bob Dole of surrounding himself with Russian comprised advisors like Paul Manafort, who were on the take from Russian oligarchs representing Putin, like Oleg Deripaska & Rinat Akhmetov. This was the bluepoint for framing the Trump admin of colluding with the Russians. You'll notice the same names pop up in three separate incarnations of this scheme.

    Paul Manafort, a former adviser to Mr. Dole's presidential campaign, has advised a Ukrainian metals billionaire (Oleg Deripaska) and his close political ally, Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich.

    "Mr. Dole, for instance, disclosed in lobby filings with the U.S. Senate his work for Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska. He described it as involving "U.S. Department of State visa policies and procedures."

    "In 2003, the Russian industrialist (Deripaska) paid $300,000 to Mr. Dole's law firm, Alston & Bird, according to lobbying reports. After that, Mr. Dole worked to persuade U.S. officials his client isn't a criminal and that his business operations are transparent, said people with knowledge of the matter. In 2005, the State Department reversed itself and granted the visa. Mr. Deripaska then paid Mr. Dole and his firm an additional $260,000, filings show."

    "Mr. Deripaska, who has close ties to the Kremlin, emerged from Russia's "aluminum wars" of the 1990s with a virtual monopoly on the nation's aluminum production."


    "The former Dole strategist Mr. Manafort and a former Dole fund raiser, Bruce Jackson, have received fees and donations from Ukrainian billionaire Rinat Akhmetov (Of Trump Tower meeting infamy.), the political patron of Ukrainian Prime Minister Yanukovich."


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB11767...d/accounts-wsj
    This only shows how far the Republican party has been intertwined with the Russians. Shows more corruption, deeper within the party than before. More of a smoking gun than a fire extinguisher.
    You can call me Shirley. The "S" has to stand for something!

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    So above we had Paul Manafort involved in Bob Dole's 1998 campaign, with Russian oligarchs Oleg Deripaska & Rinat Akhmetov.

    Now fast forward to 2007, where Hillary is the presumptive nominee to run against John McCain in 2008. Lo and behold, John McCain's got Paul Manafort's partner in Davis-Manafort, Rick Davis, as his campaign manager and they're accused of colluding with Russian oligarchs Oleg Deripaska & Rinat Akhmetov.

    10/20/2008-McCain’s Kremlin Ties

    He may talk tough about Russia, but John McCain’s political advisors have advanced Putin’s imperial ambitions.


    "Yet despite McCain’s tough talk, behind the scenes his top advisers have cultivated deep ties with Russia’s oligarchy—indeed, they have promoted the Kremlin’s geopolitical and economic interests, as well as some of its most unsavory business figures, through greedy cynicism and geopolitical stupor. The most notable example is the tale of how McCain and his campaign manager, Rick Davis, advanced what became a key victory for the Kremlin: gaining control over the small but strategically important country of Montenegro."

    "The story of how Oleg Deripaska, 40, rose from a Cossack village to become a Putin-blessed aluminum tycoon with an estimated $40 billion fortune does not begin with a lemonade stand and old-fashioned elbow grease. Like most post-Soviet success stories, Deripaska’s rise began abruptly and violently, during the chaotic reign of Boris Yeltsin."


    "Shortly after the Orange Revolution, a murder investigation was launched against the country’s richest oligarch, Rinat Akhmetov, Yanukovich’s main backer. Akhmetov fled the country. In exile in Monaco, he turned to Davis’s business partner, Paul Manafort–the second name in the lobbying firm Davis Manafort. An old GOP hand, Manafort, like Davis, had played a key role in Dole’s failed 1996 presidential run and had worked for dictators like Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines and Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire. Akhmetov initially hired Manafort to improve the image of his beleaguered conglomerate, SCM, but soon Manafort’s role shifted to helping Yanukovich."


    "The story of how McCain’s closest aides and employees have been undermining his vociferously expressed opposition to Putin and Russia’s oligarchs offers a highly disturbing preview of what a McCain administration might look like. When McCain’s campaign proclaims “country first,” one has to wonder, Which country? The one with the highest bidder?"

    https://www.thenation.com/article/mccains-kremlin-ties/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean S View Post
    This only shows how far the Republican party has been intertwined with the Russians. Shows more corruption, deeper within the party than before. More of a smoking gun than a fire extinguisher.
    If it's only Republicans, then why was Christopher Steele of 'dossier' fame also working for Oleg Deripaska? Why would the Clinton campaign hire Christopher Steele to write a report for them on Russian influence, given Steele's association with Oleg Deripaska? Why was Democrat Mark Warner, Co-Chair of the Senate Intel Committee trying to meet secretly with Oleg Deripaska? Do you remember his texts with Deripaska & Steele's lawyer, Adam Waldman that were leaked? Why was Rinat Akhmetov working with the Clinton campaign's oppo research firm Fusion GPS, & invited by Glenn Simpson to the Trump Tower meeting?
    Last edited by Costa Rican Gopher; 02-10-2019 at 09:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean S View Post
    This only shows how far the Republican party has been intertwined with the Russians. Shows more corruption, deeper within the party than before. More of a smoking gun than a fire extinguisher.
    I've asked this question several times now and no one wants to touch it. Is Oleg Deripaska a good guy, or a bad guy?

    I'll throw in Rinat Akhmetov, as well. Good guy, or bad guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean S View Post
    This only shows how far the Republican party has been intertwined with the Russians. Shows more corruption, deeper within the party than before. More of a smoking gun than a fire extinguisher.
    Why weren't FBI counter-intel investigations launched into the Dole & McCain campaigns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    Why weren't FBI counter-intel investigations launched into the Dole & McCain campaigns?
    You just don't get what secrecy means, do you CRaGo. Or, what LOSING does to the long game of Global chess. Losing renders the results meaningless. If your not the President elect, any collusion is small potato mash. Play your toilet paper games at the Humphrey terminal with somebody who knows your love signal and welcomes them. I don't welcome your small game antics.
    You can call me Shirley. The "S" has to stand for something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    If it's only Republicans, then why was Christopher Steele of 'dossier' fame also working for Oleg Deripaska? Why would the Clinton campaign hire Christopher Steele to write a report for them on Russian influence, given Steele's association with Oleg Deripaska? Why was Democrat Mark Warner, Co-Chair of the Senate Intel Committee trying to meet secretly with Oleg Deripaska? Do you remember his texts with Deripaska & Steele's lawyer, Adam Waldman that were leaked? Why was Rinat Akhmetov working with the Clinton campaign's oppo research firm Fusion GPS, & invited by Glenn Simpson to the Trump Tower meeting?
    Someone should tell you that long posts do not make extreme inaccuracy accurate or extreme incorrectness correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    What is this crime that the public knows about?
    You’ll have to wait; Mueller is busy teeing Trump up for New York’s Attorney General. She’ll (yep...another woman) finish the ass whupping the Nancy P started.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    Trump-Russia collusion was a Clinton frame job from the get-go. It started when Glenn Simpson wrote a WSJ piece in 2007 accusing Bob Dole of surrounding himself with Russian comprised advisors like Paul Manafort, who were on the take from Russian oligarchs representing Putin, like Oleg Deripaska (Christopher Steele's employer) & Rinat Akhmetov (Trump Tower meeting). This was the blueprint for framing the Trump admin of colluding with the Russians. You'll notice the same names pop up in three separate incarnations of this scheme.

    Paul Manafort, a former adviser to Mr. Dole's presidential campaign, has advised a Ukrainian metals billionaire (Oleg Deripaska) and his close political ally, Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich.

    "Mr. Dole, for instance, disclosed in lobby filings with the U.S. Senate his work for Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska. He described it as involving "U.S. Department of State visa policies and procedures."

    "In 2003, the Russian industrialist (Deripaska) paid $300,000 to Mr. Dole's law firm, Alston & Bird, according to lobbying reports. After that, Mr. Dole worked to persuade U.S. officials his client isn't a criminal and that his business operations are transparent, said people with knowledge of the matter. In 2005, the State Department reversed itself and granted the visa. Mr. Deripaska then paid Mr. Dole and his firm an additional $260,000, filings show."

    "Mr. Deripaska, who has close ties to the Kremlin, emerged from Russia's "aluminum wars" of the 1990s with a virtual monopoly on the nation's aluminum production."


    "The former Dole strategist Mr. Manafort and a former Dole fund raiser, Bruce Jackson, have received fees and donations from Ukrainian billionaire Rinat Akhmetov (Of Trump Tower meeting infamy.), the political patron of Ukrainian Prime Minister Yanukovich."


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB11767...d/accounts-wsj
    Dude; you gotta stop latching on to stuff that doesn’t matter. Who cares about collusion? Do you think Trump hasn’t committed crimes? If he has (he has) Trump is toast.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    If it's only Republicans, then why was Christopher Steele of 'dossier' fame also working for Oleg Deripaska? Why would the Clinton campaign hire Christopher Steele to write a report for them on Russian influence, given Steele's association with Oleg Deripaska? Why was Democrat Mark Warner, Co-Chair of the Senate Intel Committee trying to meet secretly with Oleg Deripaska? Do you remember his texts with Deripaska & Steele's lawyer, Adam Waldman that were leaked? Why was Rinat Akhmetov working with the Clinton campaign's oppo research firm Fusion GPS, & invited by Glenn Simpson to the Trump Tower meeting?
    You poor, poor thing. Mueller isn’t investigating Clinton. Do you think ALL Trumps deals where above board? Man! Those Russian where sending a whole lot of money through Trump properties....you don’t suppose they were laundering money so you? Not Trump; he’s such a honest man who would never lie or break the law.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean S View Post
    You just don't get what secrecy means, do you CRaGo. Or, what LOSING does to the long game of Global chess. Losing renders the results meaningless. If your not the President elect, any collusion is small potato mash. Play your toilet paper games at the Humphrey terminal with somebody who knows your love signal and welcomes them. I don't welcome your small game antics.
    There was no Russian collusion. Most D's seem to be getting their heads around that by now & are now banking on the slew of other investigations being launched. Screaming Russia is nothing more than a tactic used by the DNC to attack political rivals. Dole, McCain, Sanders, Stein, Trump, Roy Moore & now Tulsi Gabbard.

    The real Russian collusion was team Clinton in the Uranium One deal & the Skolkovo project, which was the bigger crime that most still haven't heard of.

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