Who would you rather have? Murphy or Happ

[Some guy]

Happ by a mile. Better go-to scorer + good at passing out of the post to open shooters. That creates a great pick your poison scenario for WI.

Murphy has rebounding and garbage point ability which keeps him close, but Happ is the guy you want down the stretch or when your team needs buckets to stop a run or survive a cold shooting streak. Murphy can muscle in for a few, but mostly takes what is given to him. Happ has ability to beat competent defending consistently.

I actually think Murphy is the better passer out of the double.
When going 1 on 1 we don’t know who the better passer is because Happ just scores every time

[march madness]

So we are comparing an All-American to a second team all big ten player?

[dpodoll68]

So we are comparing an All-American to a second team all big ten player?

And yet, the latter is winning.

[HolyCross66]

As much as I cannot stand Wisconsin, there is no comparison. Looking at the voting, we are homering our way into thinking Jordan is as good or better than Happ.
I would trade him for Happ in a New York minute.

[XMan]

Would you trade freshman Happ for current freshman Oturu? I wouldn’t.

[Moonlight]

This thread is a example of where gopherhole discussions become ridiculous.
Sure, discuss who you think the better player is. People do that all the time. I have no probelm with that.

The poll question above the responses still is "Who would you rather have?"

Maybe I am just too pragmatic, but it doesnt serve my enjoyment of the season to prefer someone we dont have over the guy who has shattered rebounding records in the BT. Why bother? Just to prove that I'm willing to throw my admiration for a player under the bus to demonstrate how insightful I am?

Considering people who say 'the player we have is the player I want' as a 'homer' is where we veer into pathetic. And a silly insistence that the way they interpreted the question must be applied to everyone's answer.
Maybe so many have abandoned following actual sports teams and are now so brilliantly unbiased and wise in their fantasy leagues, that we 'homers' who actually are aware we can't just trade one player for another in real life are hopelessly blinded by our biased interest in an actual season with an actual team.
I have no concern for my personal bias in preferring Murphy over Happ. I don't care who the better player is. They're both good in different ways. I'll take Murphy, please.

[gopher7]

I voted Happ, but it's a virtual toss up. The free throw shooting is a big deal. Happ is down to 47% this year, while Murphy is at 70%. Happ becomes a liability to have on the floor at the end of close games. The problem with Jordan is that even though he's really, really good when he is on, he is much more prone to duds. Happ is much more consistent IMO.

[LesBolstad]

This thread is a example of where gopherhole discussions become ridiculous.
Sure, discuss who you think the better player is. People do that all the time. I have no probelm with that.

The poll question above the responses still is "Who would you rather have?"

Maybe I am just too pragmatic, but it doesnt serve my enjoyment of the season to prefer someone we dont have over the guy who has shattered rebounding records in the BT. Why bother? Just to prove that I'm willing to throw my admiration for a player under the bus to demonstrate how insightful I am?

Considering people who say 'the player we have is the player I want' as a 'homer' is where we veer into pathetic. And a silly insistence that the way they interpreted the question must be applied to everyone's answer.
Maybe so many have abandoned following actual sports teams and are now so brilliantly unbiased and wise in their fantasy leagues, that we 'homers' who actually are aware we can't just trade one player for another in real life are hopelessly blinded by our biased interest in an actual season with an actual team.
I have no concern for my personal bias in preferring Murphy over Happ. I don't care who the better player is. They're both good in different ways. I'll take Murphy, please.

[erickjohnson11]

Happ without question. Happ can change the way other teams play the game. Murphy, not at all. He still has the same issues (cheap fouls, poor shooting %'s for an inside player, jumping out of control at head fakes to name a few) that have prevented him from becoming a much better player.

[Gold Vision]

Happ without question. Happ can change the way other teams play the game. Murphy, not at all. He still has the same issues (cheap fouls, poor shooting %'s for an inside player, jumping out of control at head fakes to name a few) that have prevented him from becoming a much better player.

Happ has had a couple horrendous games with turnovers and incredibly bad free throw shooting. For having such a high usage percentage, he’s not been that good recently.

Outside of the last play of the game, Murphy put the team on his back and put them in a spot to win the game.

[EG#9]

Murph put the team on his back tonight. He also saved them from what probably would have been a season ending defeat with a fantastic individual play against Penn State with his put back slam. He has his flaws as does Happ, but I feel like it Pitino and Gard switched teams, Gard's squad would have as good or better of a record than they currently have with Gopher personnel while Pitino would have this Badger group under .500. That coaching difference really magnifies the difference between Happ and Murphy. Late career Tim Duncan (as an example) looked a lot better playing for Pop and that Spurs system than he would have looked playing for Mark Jackson or Kurt Rambis.

Even with that said, I am not sure how much you can recognize a player who put up great stats in one specific category, but also (likely) played on 3 losing B1G teams including 2 of the worst teams in the schools history. That's not Murph's fault, but it has to be a consideration.

[bga1]

Murphy has been terrific as a Gopher. If only he had developed a reliable jump shot. Unstoppable. Happ doesn't have one either but he is craftier off the dribble and with the pass. Murphy is a bull.

[bobmartinfan]

Murphy is a much better person than Happ. I take Jordan and Happ can go wine to the refs.

[Otis]

I should have made this, " You can have 1 of Happ or Murphy, but you have to have Pitino as your coach. Who do you pick?"

I'm beginning to think Gard could have the Gopher roster and easily get into the NCAAs. I just don't think Pitino is creating an environment where these guys can succeed. Like having Stull guard Watson in man-to-man.

[Moonlight]

I should have made this, " You can have 1 of Happ or Murphy, but you have to have Pitino as your coach. Who do you pick?"

I'm beginning to think Gard could have the Gopher roster and easily get into the NCAAs. I just don't think Pitino is creating an environment where these guys can succeed. Like having Stull guard Watson in man-to-man.

Ok, lets start over. Who would you rather have, and you have to have Stull on the court with him as point guard.