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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Goofer View Post
    Sleeping giant?

    For the most part the "giants" in the NCAA have already been decided. Duke, Kentucky, etc that have built up their reputation over decades are the "giants" and that will most likely never change. The Gophers will never reach that level.

    We could become a good destination but a "giant"? Just no.
    Did I say sleeping giant?


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    I'm ready for Amir Coffey to consistently be the best player on the floor. To be honest, he was awful today until the Gophers got down by 20 in the second half. He's got to be mentally locked in and aggressive from the opening tip. He did nothing in the first half, other than commit 3 fouls.

    Your best players have to play their best if you have any chance to win in conference play, point blank. Amir was atrocious today. Murphy wasn't great, but at least he gave effort. Coffey has to play like a first-team All Big Ten player if the Gophers want to do anything with the last 7 games before the Big Ten Tournament, it's as simple as that.

    It's not Pitino's fault that his best players were a no-show when the game mattered today. Look yourself in the mirror as players, be accountable for a bad day and make up for it at Nebraska.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWMetroGopherFan View Post
    I'm ready for Amir Coffey to consistently be the best player on the floor. To be honest, he was awful today until the Gophers got down by 20 in the second half. He's got to be mentally locked in and aggressive from the opening tip. He did nothing in the first half, other than commit 3 fouls.

    Your best players have to play their best if you have any chance to win in conference play, point blank. Amir was atrocious today. Murphy wasn't great, but at least he gave effort. Coffey has to play like a first-team All Big Ten player if the Gophers want to do anything with the last 7 games before the Big Ten Tournament, it's as simple as that.

    It's not Pitino's fault that his best players were a no-show when the game mattered today. Look yourself in the mirror as players, be accountable for a bad day and make up for it at Nebraska.
    Cant agree more! You have to be kidding me about coffey! Most of our road games hes a no show. Do we

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWMetroGopherFan View Post
    I'm ready for Amir Coffey to consistently be the best player on the floor. To be honest, he was awful today until the Gophers got down by 20 in the second half. He's got to be mentally locked in and aggressive from the opening tip. He did nothing in the first half, other than commit 3 fouls.

    Your best players have to play their best if you have any chance to win in conference play, point blank. Amir was atrocious today. Murphy wasn't great, but at least he gave effort. Coffey has to play like a first-team All Big Ten player if the Gophers want to do anything with the last 7 games before the Big Ten Tournament, it's as simple as that.

    It's not Pitino's fault that his best players were a no-show when the game mattered today. Look yourself in the mirror as players, be accountable for a bad day and make up for it at Nebraska.
    After six years of its not Pitino's fault that players don't perform I will disagree, getting the most out of your players is what coaching is all about, he's got decent talent and has done nothing with it, they have gotten worse as the season progresses, yes it is Pitino's fault for whatever reason, I sure have no clue, maybe when everything is taken into consideration he is just a bad coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    Did I say sleeping giant?
    I quoted the wrong person. I made a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Goofer View Post
    Sleeping giant?

    For the most part the "giants" in the NCAA have already been decided. Duke, Kentucky, etc that have built up their reputation over decades are the "giants" and that will most likely never change. The Gophers will never reach that level.

    We could become a good destination but a "giant"? Just no.
    Look at Michigan State pre Izzo.
    Look at Virgina. Bennett has turned them into top 5 team every year
    UNLV became one for a minute with Tark.

    Examples that came from the top of my head. The right coach can pull it off.

    Football, Clemson was a nobody until they hired their current coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jovs View Post
    After six years of its not Pitino's fault that players don't perform I will disagree, getting the most out of your players is what coaching is all about, he's got decent talent and has done nothing with it, they have gotten worse as the season progresses, yes it is Pitino's fault for whatever reason, I sure have no clue, maybe when everything is taken into consideration he is just a bad coach.
    That's the rub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Goofer View Post
    Sleeping giant?

    For the most part the "giants" in the NCAA have already been decided. Duke, Kentucky, etc that have built up their reputation over decades are the "giants" and that will most likely never change. The Gophers will never reach that level.

    We could become a good destination but a "giant"? Just no.
    I agree (mostly) with your last statement but the "giants" can change. There was no bigger giant for decades than UCLA but I don't think they can be called one anymore. Kentucky, Kansas, and North Carolina have, as you've said, built their reputations over decades and continue to be top contenders most years across different coaches. Duke's great period of success has been under one coach; before him the great years were sporadic. It's possible that they could slide out of the giant category in the extended period after Coach K retires the way UCLA gradually did after Wooden. Houston frequently was a power house under Guy Lewis but they've barely been heard from since until Kelvin Sampson recently resurrected the program.

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    Izzo didn't turn the program around- he improved it. But Heathcote had won a national championship and had been to 5 of the previous 6 NCAA tournaments.

    Virginia- Bennett has been amazing but that program has a higher floor because of the talent base in the region.
    Prior to Bennett they had been to the tournament half the time since 1980.

    UNLV was all Tark but we know he cheated big time.

    It is really, really tough to turn a program around that has been mediocre for 40 years. The best turnaround jobs I have seen of such a program is obviously the combination of Bennett and Ryan and of course Coach K and Duke. Unless you want to count Dan Monson and Gonzaga....

    Even with Duke, Bill Foster prior to Coach K had been to three straight NCAAs...

    Minnesota? We have been to the NCAAs 11 times in our history and 4 were vacated. The job can be done here- but it is tough. As I write this post and consider the history of other programs, I think that either sticking with Pitino or perhaps going to Fred Hoiberg might be the way to go. I don't think we can get Musselman. Perhaps Hoiberg would be the shot in the arm for 6-7 years that gets the program going and he brings up a great assistant that can take it over? I have previously said I think Hoiberg is too short term of a fix but maybe that scenario would work. I thought that would work with Tubby, but obviously it didn't. Tubby had weak assistant coaches for whatever reason.

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    To me sleeping giant means a program with that has great resources, facilities, support, fan base, recruiting region but has been dormant and lying down for decades but could be woken up by the right coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    Izzo didn't turn the program around- he improved it. But Heathcote had won a national championship and had been to 5 of the previous 6 NCAA tournaments.

    Virginia- Bennett has been amazing but that program has a higher floor because of the talent base in the region.
    Prior to Bennett they had been to the tournament half the time since 1980.

    UNLV was all Tark but we know he cheated big time.

    It is really, really tough to turn a program around that has been mediocre for 40 years. The best turnaround jobs I have seen of such a program is obviously the combination of Bennett and Ryan and of course Coach K and Duke. Unless you want to count Dan Monson and Gonzaga....

    Even with Duke, Bill Foster prior to Coach K had been to three straight NCAAs...

    Minnesota? We have been to the NCAAs 11 times in our history and 4 were vacated. The job can be done here- but it is tough. As I write this post and consider the history of other programs, I think that either sticking with Pitino or perhaps going to Fred Hoiberg might be the way to go. I don't think we can get Musselman. Perhaps Hoiberg would be the shot in the arm for 6-7 years that gets the program going and he brings up a great assistant that can take it over? I have previously said I think Hoiberg is too short term of a fix but maybe that scenario would work. I thought that would work with Tubby, but obviously it didn't. Tubby had weak assistant coaches for whatever reason.
    On UVA, sure about the region but his players up to this point have come from all over. Going forward will reflect the region as he is hauling elite Carolina kids and a DC kid and even a Virginia kid. They will just keep getting better. From 1953 until 2010 they had one outright ACC title. They were significantly under .500 in the conference, just like us. Since he got there, with a brand new Arena they have 3 outright ACC titles, 2 ACC tourney titles. He has won 70 % of his ACC games and over the last 5 years is actually 10 games better than Duke UNC ! He woke the the sleeping giant and in his words that was one of the reasons he found the job attractive. Are we a sleeping giant ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    On UVA, sure about the region but his players up to this point have come from all over. Going forward will reflect the region as he is hauling elite Carolina kids and a DC kid and even a Virginia kid. They will just keep getting better. From 1953 until 2010 they had one outright ACC title. They were significantly under .500 in the conference, just like us. Since he got there, with a brand new Arena they have 3 outright ACC titles, 2 ACC tourney titles. He has won 70 % of his ACC games and over the last 5 years is actually 10 games better than Duke UNC ! He woke the the sleeping giant and in his words that was one of the reasons he found the job attractive. Are we a sleeping giant ?
    Not sleeping. We are in a coma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    On UVA, sure about the region but his players up to this point have come from all over. Going forward will reflect the region as he is hauling elite Carolina kids and a DC kid and even a Virginia kid. They will just keep getting better. From 1953 until 2010 they had one outright ACC title. They were significantly under .500 in the conference, just like us. Since he got there, with a brand new Arena they have 3 outright ACC titles, 2 ACC tourney titles. He has won 70 % of his ACC games and over the last 5 years is actually 10 games better than Duke UNC ! He woke the the sleeping giant and in his words that was one of the reasons he found the job attractive. Are we a sleeping giant ?
    I have been hoping to see it since the 60s and when Musselman got here- I thought we were going to win forever. He got me firmly hooked.

    Today the area has far better talent than back then, although we generated the semi annual big man back then. So, with the fact that we now have the facilities, there is local talent and we are the only D1 in the state- it is possible. However, until the locals see and believe that winning can happen here or until some of them decide to create their own legacy, it's going to be tough. It will take coaching, patience and yes a little luck to get it done. Oturu and Gabe are nice building blocks right now for Pitino or whoever is the next coach. Just 3-4 years of consecutive success and I think we could be a strong program for a long time.

    So yes- it is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beavergopher View Post
    Not sleeping. We are in a coma.
    Spit my coffee ! Your right. But that is solved by a great coach and you see it early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    On UVA, sure about the region but his players up to this point have come from all over. Going forward will reflect the region as he is hauling elite Carolina kids and a DC kid and even a Virginia kid. They will just keep getting better. From 1953 until 2010 they had one outright ACC title. They were significantly under .500 in the conference, just like us. Since he got there, with a brand new Arena they have 3 outright ACC titles, 2 ACC tourney titles. He has won 70 % of his ACC games and over the last 5 years is actually 10 games better than Duke UNC ! He woke the the sleeping giant and in his words that was one of the reasons he found the job attractive. Are we a sleeping giant ?
    In Virginia you are also competing with a ton of basketball universities that are all right there. In Minnesota the closest competition is a 3 hour drive away. The right coach will get the Minnesota kids.
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