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  1. #2251

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    but if he does- Dem turnout will be bad.
    Your fantasy. No evidence


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    Your fantasy. No evidence
    You seriously don't believe that the turn out for dems will be low if they run a super old white boring candidate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bottlebass View Post
    You seriously don't believe that the turn out for dems will be low if they run a super old white boring candidate?
    Define low/bad.

    2016 - yes, because no one thought the clown had a chance (including himself, hence crappy/non-lavish election party)

    2020 - they know and fear that if they don’t show up, he gets four more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    Define low/bad.

    2016 - yes, because no one thought the clown had a janae (including himself, hence crappy/non-lavish election party)

    2020 - they know and fear that if they don’t show up, he gets four more
    I think you give the average voter too much credit.
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    I’m hoping beyond hope that enough fear will do enough.

    Worked for cons in 2016.


    Fear or anger are really the only things that motivate most people to get off their a__es.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    I’m hoping beyond hope that enough fear will do enough.

    Worked for cons in 2016.


    Fear or anger are really the only things that motivate most people to get off their a__es.
    I don't remember there being a surge of republican voters in 2016. Seemed like their number stayed pretty steady from the last election but I could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bottlebass View Post
    I don't remember there being a surge of republican voters in 2016. Seemed like their number stayed pretty steady from the last election but I could be wrong.
    But why a surge? Where is the evidence that dems will have a drop off? I’m just saying as long as we can keep the turnout at the combined high and not lose lots of people. Maybe that’s what you meant by surge.

    EDIT: you meant from 2012 to 2016??? I don’t have the hard numbers but I would be outright shocked if R voters didn’t surge from Obama all but certain 2nd term with a lame R candidate to Trump mania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    But why a surge? Where is the evidence that dems will have a drop off? I’m just saying as long as we can keep the turnout at the combined high and not lose lots of people. Maybe that’s what you meant by surge.

    EDIT: you meant from 2012 to 2016??? I don’t have the hard numbers but I would be outright shocked if R voters didn’t surge from Obama all but certain 2nd term with a lame R candidate to Trump mania.
    The dems will need a surge to beat trump, they will need that energy and all I'm saying is Sleepy Joe or whatever people call him provides the opposite of that. The republicans will turn out in the same numbers they did last time and the time before. The dems are in serious trouble.
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    Well again, I don’t believe for a second that R turnout didn’t surge from 2012 to 2016. But what matters is if that turnout stays for 2020. I’d like to hope that 2018 showed there could be some dent. But as always, the candidate matters.

    Seems a tough choice: excite the base, alienate the middle, or appeal to the middle and hope base will hold their noses.

    Not a sure bet by any means, but I’m going latter and twice on Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    Well again, I don’t believe for a second that R turnout didn’t surge from 2012 to 2016. But what matters is if that turnout stays for 2020. I’d like to hope that 2018 showed there could be some dent. But as always, the candidate matters.

    Seems a tough choice: excite the base, alienate the middle, or appeal to the middle and hope base will hold their noses.

    Not a sure bet by any means, but I’m going latter and twice on Sunday.
    61million in 2012 and 63 million in 2016 so definitely an increase. Idk if 2million more D votes will make a difference in the EC though in 2020. And your predicament is correct which is why the Dems look like they will lose
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  11. #2261

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    It is good to practice debating with the puppet on slow days....you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    It is good to practice debating with the puppet on slow days....you need it.
    Yeah I don't know why I decided to feed the troll today... I really should do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    There are no centrists in the Democrat list. Everyone has been pulled far left. Add up the votes for hard left candidates and they are more than the most moderate of the lefties. The hard left is ruling the party. Biden may yet get the nomination because the field is so brutally bad, but if he does- Dem turnout will be bad. He has been losing ground since he announced. It doesn't help him that he is so daft that he repeated Obama's Obamacare lie of the year the other day. It is mostly unspoken (although Harris went there) but most Dems just think of Biden as an old white racist. Bernie is viewed more softly because he is full on socialism AOC style.
    Thanks for that fair and balanced analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bottlebass View Post
    You seriously don't believe that the turn out for dems will be low if they run a super old white boring candidate?
    Lower than it was for old white boring Hillary? No. This election will be a referendum on the incumbent as it always is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzard View Post
    This is such a good story if you haven't seen it:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.2f2d0a321222
    Hahaha

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