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    One more commie down. The last one falls in November 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tikited View Post
    Tough on crime = count over 90% out already.

    Environmentally responsible = many are on-line with how I feel but many are bats**t crazy on this topic.

    Education a top priority = Dems are still superior to the Right on this.

    Saving the Middle class = Dems are still superior to the Right on this.

    Tough on immigration = More than 90% are out of it right here.

    Socialism is bad = Anyone left who thinks this way?

    I don't think that is too much to ask for now do you?

    edit: Looks like I am right smack dab in the middle. Where politicians should govern from.
    As I'm sure you understand, this is quite a mix-up of left and right positions. So clearly, neither the Dem ("all left") or the GOP ("all right") are going to suit you.

    How have you been able to will yourself to vote for a Dem candidate in the past? Which Dem candidate that you've voted for in the past, has been tough on crime, tough on immigration, and out in the open being against socialistic policy?

    Do you think it is possible to make public education, helping the environment, and saving the middle class top priorities without policies that are by definition closer to socialism than non-socialism ?? This seems to be a conundrum, to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MnplsGopher View Post
    As I'm sure you understand, this is quite a mix-up of left and right positions. So clearly, neither the Dem ("all left") or the GOP ("all right") are going to suit you.

    How have you been able to will yourself to vote for a Dem candidate in the past? Which Dem candidate that you've voted for in the past, has been tough on crime, tough on immigration, and out in the open being against socialistic policy?

    Do you think it is possible to make public education, helping the environment, and saving the middle class top priorities without policies that are by definition closer to socialism than non-socialism ?? This seems to be a conundrum, to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    I hear they have a great Healthcare plan. But we only get to find out what it is if they win.
    Did you post this ironically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikited View Post

    edit: Looks like I am right smack dab in the middle. Where politicians should govern from.
    I have great respect for Ted. I'm gonna take a crack at this anyway, even though he probably would rather I didn't:

    Tough on crime = count over 90% out already. IMO, the problem isn't tough on crime. The problem is too many dumb bad laws that make too many criminals. We look the other way on the kind of crap that has been happening downtown because we don't want to be racist, but our crummy drug laws are waaay worse and more destructive. Small percent of Rs and Ds are right on this

    Environmentally responsible = many are on-line with how I feel but many are bats**t crazy on this topic. I agree. And too few Rs do what we should do, which is focus on reducing pollution, increasing efficiency.

    Education a top priority = Dems are still superior to the Right on this. Only area I 100% disagree with Ted. The problem with education isn't whether it's a priority or not. The problem is federal involvement in funding higher ed. Which has jacked up the cost and turned higher ed into PC, SJW worthless high priced idiot factories. Problem with K-12 is not enough choice, too much teacher union control. Dems don't make education a priority, they make the system (which funds their party) a priority.

    Saving the Middle class = Dems are still superior to the Right on this. A good economy provides jobs and opportunity to all classes. Government efforts to save the jobs of yesterday is short sighted. Trump is actually trying to save the middle class in this way, same as some Dems. I think the concept is wrong, and the idea that Dems are better at the incorrect concept is wrong too.

    Tough on immigration = More than 90% are out of it right here.
    This is the biggest change on the left. Suddenly Obama's position is racist.

    Socialism is bad = Anyone left who thinks this way?
    We call it Democratic socialism now, so that's totally not Venezuela (which all those same folks praised before it turned into a disaster).

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehard View Post
    Why CD5 is politically dysfunctional. To Omarites life is a conundrum.
    How would you propose to make public education, helping the environment, and saving the middle class top priorities, without policy that's closer to socialism than non-socialism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    I have great respect for Ted. I'm gonna take a crack at this anyway, even though he probably would rather I didn't:

    Tough on crime = count over 90% out already. IMO, the problem isn't tough on crime. The problem is too many dumb bad laws that make too many criminals. We look the other way on the kind of crap that has been happening downtown because we don't want to be racist, but our crummy drug laws are waaay worse and more destructive. Small percent of Rs and Ds are right on this

    Environmentally responsible = many are on-line with how I feel but many are bats**t crazy on this topic. I agree. And too few Rs do what we should do, which is focus on reducing pollution, increasing efficiency.

    Education a top priority = Dems are still superior to the Right on this. Only area I 100% disagree with Ted. The problem with education isn't whether it's a priority or not. The problem is federal involvement in funding higher ed. Which has jacked up the cost and turned higher ed into PC, SJW worthless high priced idiot factories. Problem with K-12 is not enough choice, too much teacher union control. Dems don't make education a priority, they make the system (which funds their party) a priority.

    Saving the Middle class = Dems are still superior to the Right on this. A good economy provides jobs and opportunity to all classes. Government efforts to save the jobs of yesterday is short sighted. Trump is actually trying to save the middle class in this way, same as some Dems. I think the concept is wrong, and the idea that Dems are better at the incorrect concept is wrong too.

    Tough on immigration = More than 90% are out of it right here.
    This is the biggest change on the left. Suddenly Obama's position is racist.

    Socialism is bad = Anyone left who thinks this way?
    We call it Democratic socialism now, so that's totally not Venezuela (which all those same folks praised before it turned into a disaster).
    I'm not sure what Ted or you mean by "tough on crime". They just arrested 20 guys on the downtown Mpls assaults. How is that "looking the other way"? I don't know of anyone excusing that behavior. Are you saying Dems are too PC to be tough on crime? I've also heard we should be softer on non-violent drug crimes. So which is it? I think you can be both "tough on crime" and acknowledge that profiling also causes distrust. From what I've gathered, it comes down to a lack of funding and training in many precincts. Cops feel stretched too thin to engage in community outreach that builds trust. But of course more resources come with a cost (higher taxes). S2 is probably right. No one seems to have crime figured out. Though Mpls seemed to have a relatively good run while Rybak was mayor.
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    Traffic and parking can be its own thing, which is always needed to some degree.

    But for actual crime, if we can't have both (or have it all), then I choose for the police to focus on violence and robberies, and let drug-related stuff (that isn't violence or robberies) slide lower in priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokomis View Post
    I'm not sure what Ted or you mean by "tough on crime". They just arrested 20 guys on the downtown Mpls assaults. How is that "looking the other way"? I don't know of anyone excusing that behavior. Are you saying Dems are too PC to be tough on crime? I've also heard we should be softer on non-violent drug crimes. So which is it? I think you can be both "tough on crime" and acknowledge that profiling also causes distrust. From what I've gathered, it comes down to a lack of funding and training in many precincts. Cops feel stretched too thin to engage in community outreach that builds trust. But of course more resources come with a cost (higher taxes). S2 is probably right. No one seems to have crime figured out. Though Mpls seemed to have a relatively good run while Rybak was mayor.
    Loitering, disrupting businesses, etc. Those things lead to these kinds of attacks IMO.

    I wasn't referencing the actual assault which luckily was caught on camera.

    Here's a correlary that I think outlines what I'm talking about:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ther-parkland/

    California bans school suspensions. Why? Because school suspensions are racist and disproportionate (equal numbers of all races should be suspended, and deviations are proof of racism). This kind of thing can lead to school violence and shootings. Sure, they'll react to those, but not the cause. Soft in that sense.

    Regarding the law and crime:

    "When law and morality contradict, the citizen faces the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." ~Frederic Bastiat

    Immoral laws create law breaking and immoral societies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    Loitering, disrupting businesses, etc. Those things lead to these kinds of attacks IMO.

    I wasn't referencing the actual assault which luckily was caught on camera.

    Here's a correlary that I think outlines what I'm talking about:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ther-parkland/

    California bans school suspensions. Why? Because school suspensions are racist and disproportionate (equal numbers of all races should be suspended, and deviations are proof of racism). This kind of thing can lead to school violence and shootings. Sure, they'll react to those, but not the cause. Soft in that sense.

    Regarding the law and crime:

    "When law and morality contradict, the citizen faces the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." ~Frederic Bastiat

    Immoral laws create law breaking and immoral societies.
    Oh man, S2, you are a trip sometimes. Using Bastiat in defense of tougher loitering laws? I love it. Got any good John Locke quotes that can help us solve this trade war?

    As for suspensions, I'm not so sure that it's about PC racism as it is that they're just not that effective. At best, the kid sits at home playing video games all day. At worst, it's something more nefarious, like googling Immanuel Kant quotes. Better to stay in school and learn about Keynesian economics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokomis View Post
    Oh man, S2, you are a trip sometimes. Using Bastiat in defense of tougher loitering laws? I love it. Got any good John Locke quotes that can help us solve this trade war?

    As for suspensions, I'm not so sure that it's about PC racism as it is that they're just not that effective. At best, the kid sits at home playing video games all day. At worst, it's something more nefarious, like googling Immanuel Kant quotes. Better to stay in school and learn about Keynesian economics.
    See now, only someone smart could have crafted this kind of response. You are right on Bastiat and loitering of course (although his solution would be all private property where loitering would absolutely be prevented, and with no moral ambiguity).

    Now, that was a smart response, but also evaded my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section2 View Post
    See now, only someone smart could have crafted this kind of response. You are right on Bastiat and loitering of course (although his solution would be all private property where loitering would absolutely be prevented, and with no moral ambiguity).

    Now, that was a smart response, but also evaded my point.
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    Didn't you move out of town? How do you like it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MnplsGopher View Post
    How have you been able to will yourself to vote for a Dem candidate in the past?
    I did like most voters did. I voted the party line no matter what.
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