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    Default For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings

    As the Trump administration demands funding for a border wall to stop illegal immigration, a new study finds that for the seventh consecutive year, visa overstays far exceeded unauthorized border crossings.

    The report released Wednesday by the Center for Migration Studies of New York finds that from 2016-2017, people who overstayed their visas accounted for 62 percent of the newly undocumented, while 38 percent had crossed a border illegally.

    "It is clear from our research that persons who overstay their visas add to the US undocumented population at a higher rate than border crossers. This is not a blip, but a trend which has become the norm," said Donald Kerwin, CMS' executive director, in a statement. "As these numbers indicate, construction of hundreds of more miles of border wall would not address the challenge of irregular migration into our country, far from it."

    The study also finds that the undocumented population from Mexico fell by almost 400,000 people in 2017 and that since 2010, the number of undocumented from that country fell by 1.3 million.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/68605...rder-crossings
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    That study calculates that there are 10 million illegals in the country. The Yale study calculates over 20 million illegals in the country. I would suspect that it would be much easier to calculate visa overstays, since we have records of them, than it would be to calculate those who sneaked across our border so easily and never reported their presence in our country.

    If it were true that there are more visa overstays than illegal border crossings (it's not true) that is a lousy argument for no wall. That would be like saying that we have more annual drug related deaths (over 60,000) than traffic fatalities (around 30,000) so we no longer have to patrol our roads.

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    How in the f'k would we know how many illegal crossings there are in any given time?

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    Visa overstays. Bought up by people that want to abolish ICE. Why? They are Open Borders advocates. They hate America. Overstays need to be rounded up and deported. Keep immigration. Make immigration legal. The no borders, no laws supporters are going to need to be dealt with at some point going forward. They have protected freedom of speech but need to be identified when in positions of any decision making power and run out by the responsible portion of the voting public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    That would be like saying that we have more annual drug related deaths (over 60,000) than traffic fatalities (around 30,000) so we no longer have to patrol our roads.
    False analogy.

    Corrected analogy: that would be like saying that we have more annual drug related deaths than deaths from illegal pedestrian road crossings ("jay walking"), and thus we should not construct large barrier fences along roads to prevent people from illegally crossing.


    An illegal border crossing isn't automatically a thing that harms the country. Nor does an illegal road crossing automatically lead to a pedestrian being run over. They CAN be, but not automatically. You have to weigh the costs vs the benefits. That's the only logically valid argument. Not the emotional/ideological argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    If it were true that there are more visa overstays than illegal border crossings (it's not true)...
    Cool story. Please post your source material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plausible Deniability View Post
    How in the f'k would we know how many illegal crossings there are in any given time?
    So when Trump says there's millions pouring in, he doesn't actually know that either?

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    Quote Originally Posted by howeda7 View Post
    So when Trump says there's millions pouring in, he doesn't actually know that either?
    So you are saying that there are not 10 million, 20 million, or even 30 million here? How do you get dumber by the post? BTW, those estimates come from people much smarter than PD even if he isn't a government employee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    False analogy.

    Corrected analogy: that would be like saying that we have more annual drug related deaths than deaths from illegal pedestrian road crossings ("jay walking"), and thus we should not construct large barrier fences along roads to prevent people from illegally crossing.


    An illegal border crossing isn't automatically a thing that harms the country. Nor does an illegal road crossing automatically lead to a pedestrian being run over. They CAN be, but not automatically. You have to weigh the costs vs the benefits. That's the only logically valid argument. Not the emotional/ideological argument.
    Stupid post ^^^

    An illegal border crossing absolutely costs a country that offers a huge social safety net.

    As far as weighing costs- illegal immigration costs us upwards of 100 billion per year. This is a 5 billion investment to see if we can reign in those costs. You are afraid it will work. It's just that simple.

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    We should just buy Mexico and Central America. It would take quite a while, but we could eventually upgrade those areas to developing "countries/states."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bga1 View Post
    illegal immigration costs us upwards of 100 billion per year.
    Walking across an arbitrary line costs nobody anything.

    Clearly, you're trying to pretend that the societal costs of recreational drug usage and drug addiction would evaporate into thin air if immigration halted. Absurd on its face.

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    Anyone who wants to address border crossings, but not address visa overstays is a moron, or dishonest. Anyone who wants to address visa overstays, but not border crossings is also a moron, or dishonest.

    It's not an either-or scenario, and no one who's being honest ever suggested it was.

    In addition, we also need to address employers hiring illegals, SS card/document strawmen, shut down sanctuary cities, hire more border patrol agents, more immigration judges, streamline temporary work visas, the Central American asylum loophole & streamline the application process for legal immigration.

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    As someone who travels to the US with someone on a visa I would be very cautious about visa overstay numbers. Incoming is systematic but outgoing is a clusterf*ck. For us, my partner gets a three month multiple entry visa. When we leave, she can turn it over at the border to Canadian border guards (best results) or keep it if we plan to come back within 3 months. If we keep it and don't re-enter, there is no record of departure. This causes trouble next time you cross although not too much as the US border guards also know the system is terrible. In theory though it looks like the overstay person is trying to re-enter the US even though there is no record of departure.

    We can turn the form in to US Immigration at Winnipeg airport but they seem to just chuck the piece of paper in the garbage as the next time we come down, there is no record of her leaving.

    So long story short, I don't believe anyone has good data on overstays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    Anyone who wants to address border crossings, but not address visa overstays is a moron, or dishonest. Anyone who wants to address visa overstays, but not border crossings is also a moron, or dishonest.
    There is some wisdom there. I assume this giant wall will have doors in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saintpaulguy View Post
    There is some wisdom there. I assume this giant wall will have doors in it.
    It'll have the best doors.

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