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    Here are my points I noted from the box score:

    Outrebounded - worse yet was our terribly low defensive rebounding numbers. Of course when the other team isn't missing shots its hard to get rebounds. which leads to....

    2nd half defense - 2nd game in a row where the other team has made better or some adjustments at half time and we have failed to match their coaching or play. They boxed Cowan up in the first half but let him play his game in the second and that cost us big. Only way we could have stayed with them would have been to make some.......

    Free Throws - My goodness. All these guys should shoot 150 fts a day! It's called the "charity stripe" because it is supposed to be as easy as picking up an Obama phone in Baltimore when you can't afford rent. If only we knew how to...

    Score against a zone - You beat a zone by moving the ball inside and out and inside and out and making the defense move. Of course you have to make the open shots when the ball movement creates them! Oturu missed a few close range shots but gamecenter doesn't let me know if Fernando (great name) was all over him or not. Murphy seems like low-motor Murph on gamecenter as well! If only we could....

    Penetrate consistently - We haven't known how to penetrate effectively since the Facebook film! Doesn't help if the refs swallow the whistle though. Remember....

    Basketball is a simple game:

    You dribble the ball, (something our team has but keeps on the bench)
    You pass the ball, (not scoring against a zone well says we don't do this effectively)
    You shoot the ball, (and make a higher percentage than the other team)
    You rebound the ball, (got to do a better job here)
    and you play defense. (for the whole game! not just the first half. And if the other team changes things up, you have to react!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnBurner View Post
    Been saying for three years he needed to develop J from 15-18 ft. He would then be deadly. Hasnt happened.
    How’s your shot coming along
    ~ Wright about Life - Having fun with words since 1989 ~

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    This team will get better as Curry shakes off the rust. So far, I like his progress. I think he cramped up at the end of the game.

    Regarding our play against a zone, we don't seem to attack. When passing and/or dribbling side to side, we need to attack. One play in particular, Dupree had the ball on left side of zone. We had two guys opposite him on the perimeter with a huge hole in the zone. Coffey was one and I think Stull or Gabe was the other. Coffey was in the best position to cut to the middle for an easy 5-7 footer. He was hitting those the entire game.

    I sure hope they watch tape on Maryland's zone because there were many holes. I hate the dribble handoffs / weave as it doesn't get the zone defense moving at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewert86PC View Post
    I thought about this overnight and it is still troubling me. IW23 tried to take charge and drive through Maryland's zone defense. He wasn't successful and was pulled immediately. Why?

    It strikes me as poor coaching and coaching fear of the zone defense. If our FGs weren't dropping why were we not trying to do more penetration into the zone?

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    I agree. IW can help the team and it appears he was trying rather than doing it himself. Drive and dish or shoot. It seems as if RP will not give him the opp and pulls him if he screws up. Two assists and zero TO's in 17 minutes.

    I say play him more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GopherCountry View Post
    This team will get better as Curry shakes off the rust. So far, I like his progress. I think he cramped up at the end of the game.

    Regarding our play against a zone, we don't seem to attack. When passing and/or dribbling side to side, we need to attack. One play in particular, Dupree had the ball on left side of zone. We had two guys opposite him on the perimeter with a huge hole in the zone. Coffey was one and I think Stull or Gabe was the other. Coffey was in the best position to cut to the middle for an easy 5-7 footer. He was hitting those the entire game.

    I sure hope they watch tape on Maryland's zone because there were many holes. I hate the dribble handoffs / weave as it doesn't get the zone defense moving at all.
    Like your analysis here. They did get open 3's, but they weren't falling. They needed to send someone to the middle to help the zone collapse a little more. Maybe Matthew Hurt is someone who gets a go there, but he'd been a defensive liability. Once Curry gets back into game mode, he'll be a great guy to flash and hit mid range jumpers. Otherwise Coffey was probably the best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayfield Gopher View Post
    I agree. IW can help the team and it appears he was trying rather than doing it himself. Drive and dish or shoot. It seems as if RP will not give him the opp and pulls him if he screws up. Two assists and zero TO's in 17 minutes.

    I say play him more.
    IW was pretty good. Too bad he didn't get that foul call. That was awful and it lead to a momentum swinging 3. Atrocious miss by the refs that had a huge impact on the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manderson1984 View Post
    IW was pretty good. Too bad he didn't get that foul call. That was awful and it lead to a momentum swinging 3. Atrocious miss by the refs that had a huge impact on the game.
    I like the kids upside but what i saw was poor shooting and worse defense. In rewatching the film he will be graded poorly on defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bordergopher View Post
    Main issue vs Maryland: Our relative lack of talent. We have a nice team, but the talent differential was fairly obvious. Maryland > Wisconsin by quite a bit based on my observations tonight. The rule of thumb seems to be that you need three studs that can take over a game. Maryland has that (Fernando, Smith, Cowan). MN has two (Coffey, Murphy), but Murphy is neutralized when he plays against skilled length as he is only about 6’6”.

    Bottom line is we lost to a better team, but the difference is not as great as the final score. We are a bad FT-shooting team, but not 39% bad.
    This. Maryland is a better team with better players. The Gophers have glaring weaknesses that prevent them from making that next step as a team. PG play is #1. Inability to make open shots is #2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manderson1984 View Post
    IW was pretty good. Too bad he didn't get that foul call. That was awful and it lead to a momentum swinging 3. Atrocious miss by the refs that had a huge impact on the game.
    Pretty good? What does bad look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    I like the kids upside but what i saw was poor shooting and worse defense. In rewatching the film he will be graded poorly on defense.
    Fair point, for him he was pretty good. He's been worse and seemed to give better effort on the defensive end. Yeah he still won't grade well.

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    The Gophers had a 7-point lead with 14:20 remaining, even while they were missing free throws and getting victimized by the worst officiating crew I've seen in some time. That's a game you need to be able to win. If the tide turning was a simple matter of Maryland switching to a zone defense, that's not a talent problem - it's a coaching problem, a poise problem, and a mental stamina problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewert86PC View Post
    I thought about this overnight and it is still troubling me. IW23 tried to take charge and drive through Maryland's zone defense. He wasn't successful and was pulled immediately. Why?

    It strikes me as poor coaching and coaching fear of the zone defense. If our FGs weren't dropping why were we not trying to do more penetration into the zone?

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    I agree. Washington can do a good job of creating in the zone. Not sure both the offense or defense could have gotten much worse in the 2nd half so why not let him try to create some open looks?

    I just realized this morning that the Gophers got outscored by 21 points in the 2nd half at home. That's pathetic no matter who they're playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manderson1984 View Post
    Fair point, for him he was pretty good. He's been worse and seemed to give better effort on the defensive end. Yeah he still won't grade well.
    Yep, not very defense and more poor rushed shots is what I saw. I honestly only want him shooting wide open layups that are there for him. He is not a good shooter\ and forces it waaaaay too much still. He looks like he is getting better, made some nice plays at first I though maybe he was figuring it out? I still wouldn't hang my hat on him until he figures out 1 on 4 doesn't work, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Gopher View Post
    The Gophers had a 7-point lead with 14:20 remaining, even while they were missing free throws and getting victimized by the worst officiating crew I've seen in some time. That's a game you need to be able to win. If the tide turning was a simple matter of Maryland switching to a zone defense, that's not a talent problem - it's a coaching problem, a poise problem, and a mental stamina problem.
    I agree with the three things you list as issues, but for me the number 1 issue is recruiting.
    I’m not saying it’s as easy to recruit at Mn, but look at the types of young players that Maryland had last night.
    - shooting (including free throws)
    - length
    - physicality
    - quickness
    - defense
    Any many of their best players are freshmen and sophomores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    I like the kids upside but what i saw was poor shooting and worse defense. In rewatching the film he will be graded poorly on defense.
    As a Badger fan, I think we know pretty well what you appreciate.

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