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    1. FT shooting. Obviously. Just atrocious and Iíve never seen anything like it.

    2. Defense in second half was not good.

    3. WTF has happened to Jordan Murphy? I feel like he hurts the team more than helps it lately. FTís...stupid fouls...no offensive game.

    +1 - From 13:48 to 1:16 in the second half, they called one foul on Maryland. One. It was unbelievable. I know they were in a zone, blah blah blah. But there were several drives with major contact uncalled. And this was at home. It was sickening. I know for sure Washington was hacked big time on the arm on the play that then led to a 3 for Maryland (this seemed to be the key moment in the game), and how McBrayer didnít get a call on a late drive was equally crazy.

    I realize we would have missed all the FTís, but that was something else.


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    You nailed the 3 big concerns from tonight and going forward. Though you could add shooting in general to #1, though yes, our FT was embarrassing tonight.

    Big Ten teams know Murphy well, and they are shutting him down. We obviously need much more from him and the last few games we're not coming close to getting it.

    Very disappointing second half for many reasons. The euphoria of the wisconsin win seems so long ago.

    Go Gophers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedGopher View Post
    You nailed the 3 big concerns from tonight and going forward. Though you could add shooting in general to #1, though yes, our FT was embarrassing tonight.

    Big Ten teams know Murphy well, and they are shutting him down. We obviously need much more from him and the last few games we're not coming close to getting it.

    Very disappointing second half for many reasons. The euphoria of the wisconsin win seems so long ago.

    Go Gophers!!
    We struggle against teams that have lightening quick PG's. We saw it against Texas A & M, we saw it against Maryland. Amir can't stay in front of a guy like Cowan. Gabe can't stay in front of a guy like Cowan. IW might have the quickness, but he's so bad defensively that he's like a cardboard cut out.

    Murph can't hang when we play a team with 1) two quality big men that 2) are taller than him. We saw it against Wisconsin, we saw it against Maryland. His limited offensive game isn't worth much against that type of length/athleticism & he's not able to grab every rebound against those kinds of guys.

    The good news is we don't play many teams with PG's as quick as Cowan, or a pair of bigs like Smith/Fernando.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    We struggle against teams that have lightening quick PG's. We saw it against Texas A & M, we saw it against Maryland. Amir can't stay in front of a guy like Cowan. Gabe can't stay in front of a guy like Cowan. IW might have the quickness, but he's so bad defensively that he's like a cardboard cut out.

    Murph can't hang when we play a team with 1) two quality big men that 2) are taller than him. We saw it against Wisconsin, we saw it against Maryland. His limited offensive game isn't worth much against that type of length/athleticism & he's not able to grab every rebound against those kinds of guys.

    The good news is we don't play many teams with PG's as quick as Cowan, or a pair of bigs like Smith/Fernando.
    Amir is our only hope for guarding a player like Cowan and if he was not quite quick enough, then the game was essentially over. It seemed to me on Tuesday that the game was lost early in the second half if the Gopher defense could not do something to slow down Cowan and Maryland.

    They scored on almost every possession for a while, and I was screaming at the TV for a zone or at least doubling Cowan to get the ball out of his hands. I am not sure that Coffey was guarding Cowan on most possessions either, as he was our only man to man option.

    I know we all blame the Maryland zone for ending he game, but I think our inability to stifle, or even slow down Maryland like we stifled a slower, punchlless non-athletic team like Wisconsin did us in. Coffey and the Dupree banked in 3 held if off, but the lack of D ended the game.

    It all starts with defense, and this loss reminds me a lot of the loss to Miami last year before the wheels fell off completely.

    Murphy is bothered by taller, athletic defenders, but he does not get the calls and takes an enormous amount of illegal contact after sealing off defenders and rising to the rim to finish, with no calls. The ball does not just move off to the side or fall way short, without a clear block, if Murphy is not getting hacked and grabbed. Officials make the assumption of contact all the time, yet the screw Murphy all the time.

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    -Shooting
    -Point Guard play
    -Defense
    -Low basketball IQ

    Are the biggest issues in my mind, other than that they're pretty good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamsArenaGuy View Post
    1. FT shooting. Obviously. Just atrocious and Iíve never seen anything like it.

    2. Defense in second half was not good.

    3. WTF has happened to Jordan Murphy? I feel like he hurts the team more than helps it lately. FTís...stupid fouls...no offensive game.

    +1 - From 13:48 to 1:16 in the second half, they called one foul on Maryland. One. It was unbelievable. I know they were in a zone, blah blah blah. But there were several drives with major contact uncalled. And this was at home. It was sickening. I know for sure Washington was hacked big time on the arm on the play that then led to a 3 for Maryland (this seemed to be the key moment in the game), and how McBrayer didnít get a call on a late drive was equally crazy.

    I realize we would have missed all the FTís, but that was something else.


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    As I recall, McBrayer's forward momentum towards the basket while shooting was completely stopped by mid air body contact and yet no call

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    The fact is, Oturu just isn't very skilled at this point in his playing career and needs to sharpen up his basketball IQ. Wasted an easy fast break opportunity by holding on the the ball. He may be good against lowly mid majors but he has a lot of work to do to remain competitive against B1G opponents. His rebounding is definitely there tho!

    McBrayer really isn't a good three point shooter and misses far too many wide open ones. He brings other stuff to the team, but outside of his sophomore year his 3pt shooting numbers are horrid. Not sure why people think of him as a good shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GameDay View Post
    The fact is, Oturu just isn't very skilled at this point in his playing career and needs to sharpen up his basketball IQ. Wasted an easy fast break opportunity by holding on the the ball. He may be good against lowly mid majors but he has a lot of work to do to remain competitive against B1G opponents. His rebounding is definitely there.
    Oturu had a double double. He had a pretty good game. No Toís and an assist. Heís at the bottom of my list of Gopher shortcomings.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GameDay View Post
    The fact is, Oturu just isn't very skilled at this point in his playing career and needs to sharpen up his basketball IQ. Wasted an easy fast break opportunity by holding on the the ball. He may be good against lowly mid majors but he has a lot of work to do to remain competitive against B1G opponents. His rebounding is definitely there tho!

    McBrayer really isn't a good three point shooter and misses far too many wide open ones. He brings other stuff to the team, but outside of his sophomore year his 3pt shooting numbers are horrid. Not sure why people think of him as a good shooter.
    Oruro is a freshman, they make mistakes. McBrayer shot 35% last year. I call that average to above average. Correct that he is struggling this year. He had a couple wide open ones against the zone he needs to hit. To his credit, he did miss some time this year....

    This game was FTs and the scoring drought in the second half. Long shots led to to misses and some easy transition buckets for Maryland. Cowan went nuts too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manderson1984 View Post
    Oruro is a freshman, they make mistakes. McBrayer shot 35% last year. I call that average to above average. Correct that he is struggling this year. He had a couple wide open ones against the zone he needs to hit. To his credit, he did miss some time this year....

    This game was FTs and the scoring drought in the second half. Long shots led to to misses and some easy transition buckets for Maryland. Cowan went nuts too.
    This game was the inability to stop anything in the second half. This team will always have scoring droughts but they canít afford to give up nearly 50 in a half if they want to win games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold Vision View Post
    This game was the inability to stop anything in the second half. This team will always have scoring droughts but they can’t afford to give up nearly 50 in a half if they want to win games.
    100 % spot on but few fans want to acknowledge that and yet simple research shows a winning % of under 25 % over 6 years when giving up over 80 points in a game.

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    [QUOTE=Gold Vision;1670344]This game was the inability to stop anything in the second half. This team will always have scoring droughts but they canít afford to give up nearly 50 in a half if they want to win games.[/QUOTE

    Yes, but offensive decisions make for some easier shots. It wasn't all just bad defense. It's not as black and white as just a number of points. A couple transition shots that turned back around and led to wide open threes and lay ups were killers. Washington was hacked terribly on one at Cowan hit the 3 on, but some other quick shots hurt us.

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    Main issue vs Maryland: Our relative lack of talent. We have a nice team, but the talent differential was fairly obvious. Maryland > Wisconsin by quite a bit based on my observations tonight. The rule of thumb seems to be that you need three studs that can take over a game. Maryland has that (Fernando, Smith, Cowan). MN has two (Coffey, Murphy), but Murphy is neutralized when he plays against skilled length as he is only about 6í6Ē.

    Bottom line is we lost to a better team, but the difference is not as great as the final score. We are a bad FT-shooting team, but not 39% bad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bordergopher View Post
    Main issue vs Maryland: Our relative lack of talent. We have a nice team, but the talent differential was fairly obvious. Maryland > Wisconsin by quite a bit based on my observations tonight. The rule of thumb seems to be that you need three studs that can take over a game. Maryland has that (Fernando, Smith, Cowan). MN has two (Coffey, Murphy), but Murphy is neutralized when he plays against skilled length as he is only about 6í6Ē.

    Bottom line is we lost to a better team, but the difference is not as great as the final score. We are a bad FT-shooting team, but not 39% bad.
    This. Maryland is a better team with better players. The Gophers have glaring weaknesses that prevent them from making that next step as a team. PG play is #1. Inability to make open shots is #2.

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    Inability to guard #1 on dribble drives was a recurring big problem.

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