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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    Bga, Trump wouldnít have gotten the tax reduction plan and nearly the deregulation without McConnell and Ryan, and the only reason that the Federal District court has put the constitutionality of Obamacare in play is b/c the Congress eliminated the mandate. McConnell is solely responsible for allowing Trump to name Gorsuch to the SC. I know itís not popular here to praise McConnell or Ryan, but you canít bet that Trump is more effective for having them and their tempered leadership.

    The truth is the only things that Trump hasnít been able to get through are things that arenít as popular or arenít as big a priority for the voters, like the Wall. I personally favor the Wall as part of a comprehensive border security plan, but itís up to Trump to persuade the public that itís needed.

    Lastly and most importantly, ďjamming the wall through on 51 votesĒ by eliminating the filibuster would be a disaster. Democrats will eventually have control of the Senate, House, and Executive Office, and then youíd be sorry that it doesnít take 60 votes to pass the Senate.

    The 60 vote requirement is a rule that, like the structure of the Electoral College, prevents the majority from having tyranny over the minority. Or Lefties might say, the minority over the majority. Abandoning this priniciple would be bad for the governing of our country. If you canít negotiate a solution, the best answer may be to do nothing rather than using or abusing power to jam an unpopular solution through. If and when it does become popular by a majority of voters, it will pass the Senate along bi-partisan lines.
    Your continued refusal to drain the swamp is proof that you are Deep State! Ryan is the worst. Awful. He was a part of the soft coup.

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    You guys should stop embarrassing yourselves. We're building a wall, a barrier, whatever you want to call it. I'm not interested in semantics. There's no reasonable argument against it and you were all for it before. The only reason any of you are against it now, is because you hate Trump so bad, you just can't allow him to get a "win".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    You guys should stop embarrassing yourselves. We're building a wall, a barrier, whatever you want to call it. I'm not interested in semantics. There's no reasonable argument against it and you were all for it before. The only reason any of you are against it now, is because you hate Trump so bad, you just can't allow him to get a "win".
    That is spot on.

    And if the Dems donít compromise with Trump on these permanent structures, I expect that the American public will increasingly been to see the Dems as unreasonable regarding border security. The longer the government shutdown goes on, the more Dems will be blamed for not negotiating. There is no good reason for opposing permanent barriers at certain points of the border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    That is spot on.

    And if the Dems don’t compromise with Trump on these permanent structures, I expect that the American public will increasingly been to see the Dems as unreasonable regarding border security. The longer the government shutdown goes on, the more Dems will be blamed for not negotiating. There is no good reason for opposing permanent barriers at certain points of the border.
    There is one reason & it's a bad one. They hate Trump, more than they care about the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    There is one reason & it's a bad one. They hate Trump, more than they care about the country.
    Yep. We see the Loony Left at work every day on this site; and there are plenty of folks way further left than our GH friends. Astounding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerGopherFan View Post
    That is spot on.

    And if the Dems don’t compromise with Trump on these permanent structures, I expect that the American public will increasingly been to see the Dems as unreasonable regarding border security. The longer the government shutdown goes on, the more Dems will be blamed for not negotiating. There is no good reason for opposing permanent barriers at certain points of the border.
    No they won't. The government shutdown is on Trump and his stupid wall. It could have been funded if he agreed to the DACA compromise....but he was talked out of it by a white supremacist. Whoops. He said that Mexico would pay for it. WHOOPS! The longer this goes on....the worse and worse it looks for Trump and the republicans.

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    A) The only polling so far shows more Americans blaming Trump for the shutdown. https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...than-democrats
    B) Trump said that we should all blame the shutdown on him because he was happy about it.
    C) More people find immigration to be a losing issue for Republicans than a winning one. http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boa...85#post1665485

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    Quote Originally Posted by stocker08 View Post
    No they won't. The government shutdown is on Trump and his stupid wall. It could have been funded if he agreed to the DACA compromise....but he was talked out of it by a white supremacist. Whoops. He said that Mexico would pay for it. WHOOPS! The longer this goes on....the worse and worse it looks for Trump and the republicans.
    You couldn't be more wrong. Again. Lol. The funding for the wall passed a House vote WHOOPS! Schumer killed it in the Senate to ensure we couldn't secure our border. Now Pelosi is working a new plan to cut all funding to the Dept of Homeland Security & eliminating all funding for border security from all bills. Let that sink in. The Democrats want to defund the Dept of Homleand Security and end all border security funding. This on the heels of the illegal aliens who killed a cop, after a drunk driving stop. This is the team you've hitched your wagon to, own it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    The Democrats want to defund the Dept of Homleand Security and end all border security funding.
    Link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    You couldn't be more wrong. Again. Lol. The funding for the wall passed a House vote WHOOPS! Schumer killed it in the Senate to ensure we couldn't secure our border. Now Pelosi is working a new plan to cut all funding to the Dept of Homeland Security & eliminating all funding for border security from all bills. Let that sink in. The Democrats want to defund the Dept of Homleand Security and end all border security funding. This on the heels of the illegal aliens who killed a cop, after a drunk driving stop. This is the team you've hitched your wagon to, own it.
    Lots of people want to defund DHS. Diehard and I are included. DHS makes us less safe and is a huge waste of money. However, DHS needs to be wound down slowly and carefully. It would be dangerous to suddenly end it.

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    Loony Left Dems: We were for the wall before we were against it. The liberal mind truly is a form of mental illness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    You couldn't be more wrong. Again. Lol. The funding for the wall passed a House vote WHOOPS! Schumer killed it in the Senate to ensure we couldn't secure our border. Now Pelosi is working a new plan to cut all funding to the Dept of Homeland Security & eliminating all funding for border security from all bills. Let that sink in. The Democrats want to defund the Dept of Homleand Security and end all border security funding. This on the heels of the illegal aliens who killed a cop, after a drunk driving stop. This is the team you've hitched your wagon to, own it.
    So there wasn't a compromise to fund the wall in exchange for DACA measures all ready to go before Trump torpedoed it after a white supremacist republican congressman got in his ear? This is who you defend on a daily basis, own it!

    And the rest of your post is mostly garbage as well. Let's see a link for cutting funding to the DHS and ending all border security funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthSeeker View Post
    Lots of people want to defund DHS. Diehard and I are included. DHS makes us less safe and is a huge waste of money. However, DHS needs to be wound down slowly and carefully. It would be dangerous to suddenly end it.
    I don't think we should defund the DHS, I think we should eliminate it altogether. That's got nothing to do with the matter at hand. This isn't abouit some ideological belief the D's hold, this is about trying to hurt America as bad as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa Rican Gopher View Post
    You guys should stop embarrassing yourselves. We're building a wall, a barrier, whatever you want to call it. I'm not interested in semantics. There's no reasonable argument against it and you were all for it before. The only reason any of you are against it now, is because you hate Trump so bad, you just can't allow him to get a "win".
    Dead nuts.

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