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    Quote Originally Posted by 60's Guy View Post
    Decisions have consequences. Euphoria is not exactly at an all time high riding the momentum of beating Wisconsin and signing a very nice class... Why? Instead the buzz and focus is on disciplining players and self handicapping the likelihood of winning the bowl game instead to a loss. In addition to hearing: "We have lots of guys who don't practice for various reasons." Oh goodie...sounds like preparation is always an issue. Instead it's a game show: Guess who is suspended and why.
    But people complain about low attendance, poor ticket sales, the Gophers don't travel well so they are slotted in Detroit...it's all about the decisions...how things are handled...and there is no need for innocent fans to have to deal with this story or handicapping the chances of winning if they were late for class or heaven forbid attended in T Shirts if it was all handled differently.
    Make fun...don't even think of wondering what the score might be with different preparation....different decisions.
    It is a private disciplinary situation that is being handled by the team. He doesn’t have to, nor should he explain all of the details to the press or the fans. He looked irritated that the issue was “leaked” to the public. He said it has nothing to do with any legal issues so it is an internal affair that follows team discipline.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pompous Elitist View Post
    Yeah, he wasn’t necessarily impartial to Croft but it seems very likely they butted heads off the field over more than his performances.

    This is a case of a reliably biased set of media that wanted to create a story based on faulty information or possibly wholly manufactured information and it didn’t work out for them. PJ really did a nice job defending his players in the spirit of some other coaches, most recently Mark Dantonio. He did a great job. It will be interesting too see how Rochelle frames this exchange for her bombshell story tomorrow. “PJ Fleck: Multiple Starters May Be Suspended for Bowl Game for Disciplinary Reasons” seems likely.
    It is more difficult to not talk publicly about a “starting” QB during the season, then it is about disciplining players during bowl preparation practices.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WAGopher View Post
    It's Coyle who deserves the big fat F. This is exactly one of the things that the Athletic Department should be taking care of.
    "We really want your donation Mr. big time booster, but I have to head back to Minneapolis. One of our football players was late for a team meeting and I have a responsibility to blow the story completely our of proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruze View Post
    I loved the way Fleck answered the questions in his own way without giving the reporters the specific information they wanted. And he wasn't going to be baited into an outright refusal to answer their questions so they could rip him for it in the morning papers. Fleck kept a calm demeanor throughout the questioning and made it seem like he was cooperating with the reporters when he really wasn't. He even took subtle shots at them several times for reporting the 6 - 8 players numbers without reliable information. It was a master class in dealing with the media.
    PJ would give Kellyanne Conway a run for her money

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    It is a private disciplinary situation that is being handled by the team. He doesn’t have to, nor should he explain all of the details to the press or the fans. He looked irritated that the issue was “leaked” to the public. He said it has nothing to do with any legal issues so it is an internal affair that follows team discipline.


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    Don't tell that to the fans whose "lives have been ruined" by the lack of information coming out on this "major news story".

    Meanwhile, back to real life.
    Gopher football fan since 1924. DNA-wise.

  6. #486

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    5 Gopher stories at top of Pioneer Press website right now

    Gopher Football Not Shying Away from 'Big Boy Fights' with Top Programs
    At Least One Gopher Starter Violates Team Rules, Out for Bowl Game, Fleck Says
    Cretin Derham Hall Receiver Peter Udoibok Excited to Be Part of Gophers
    Gopher quarterback Commit Jacob Clark Impressed Where It's Toughest: Texas
    Gopher Football Targeted Defensive Linemen and Nets Its Best Recruits

    The story is spinning out of control! Fire Coyle...or something....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruze View Post
    Best post of the entire thread. Fleck (and the U) are right to provide only the most general information in response to media questions. He definitely shouldn't provide names, the number of players involved, or the reason(s) for the discipline. The privacy of the players must be the most important consideration. If Fleck provides specific information about who has been punished and for what reason it will only lead to a never-ending tidal wave of questions by the media. Although Fleck's refusal to provide specific information will lead to endless speculation about the players involved that is impossible to prevent. We all know the information will get out eventually but it is not a good reason for the U to release it without permission.
    Color me shocked that you two jokers are in lockstep on this one. Birds of a feather...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treswell View Post
    5 Gopher stories at top of Pioneer Press website right now

    Gopher Football Not Shying Away from 'Big Boy Fights' with Top Programs
    At Least One Gopher Starter Violates Team Rules, Out for Bowl Game, Fleck Says
    Cretin Derham Hall Receiver Peter Udoibok Excited to Be Part of Gophers
    Gopher quarterback Commit Jacob Clark Impressed Where It's Toughest: Texas
    Gopher Football Targeted Defensive Linemen and Nets Its Best Recruits

    The story is spinning out of control! Fire Coyle...or something....
    Maybe people on Gopherhole are losing focus and focusing on the negative? Each reporter has their different responsibility when covering Gopher Football. "Columnists" do not have a responsibility. They can write what ever they want.

    IMO the Football program should have done a better job of defusing the report prior to yesterday. All that was needed was a simple release in line with what Fleck said yesterday. That likely would have led to extra reporters not even showing up to the conference yesterday. No response to original report led to yesterday. I agree that the reporter went over the line in continuing to ask the same questions.

    Annoying is the rest of media coming to the defense of her actions. I'm assuming has she not asked maybe 1-2 questions would have been asked by a sports reporter and all would have moved on.
    Fleck could have been better in his answer. He could have simply confirmed an exact number of players. Now post game will start with "Was so an so one of the players suspended?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treswell View Post
    "We really want your donation Mr. big time booster, but I have to head back to Minneapolis. One of our football players was late for a team meeting and I have a responsibility to blow the story completely our of proportion."
    Do you know if it was as simple as being late to a team meeting? I'd like to see a source.
    Most of what I've read has said that what happened was "after the win at Wisconsin" which tends to make you think it didn't have to do with team meetings, collared shirts, etc. I'm not against strict rules for the team meetings and love the collared shirt thing though, so that's not my point here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruze View Post
    I loved the way Fleck answered the questions in his own way without giving the reporters the specific information they wanted. And he wasn't going to be baited into an outright refusal to answer their questions so they could rip him for it in the morning papers. Fleck kept a calm demeanor throughout the questioning and made it seem like he was cooperating with the reporters when he really wasn't. He even took subtle shots at them several times for reporting the 6 - 8 players numbers without reliable information. It was a master class in dealing with the media.
    I hate to say it, but we are in total agreement. He had a telling smirk at times. Very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pompous Elitist View Post
    I hate to say it, but we are in total agreement. He had a telling smirk at times. Very nice.
    Strib is eating crow and as for Rochelle, sour grapes over a fruitless assignment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Word View Post
    Do you know if it was as simple as being late to a team meeting? I'd like to see a source.
    Most of what I've read has said that what happened was "after the win at Wisconsin" which tends to make you think it didn't have to do with team meetings, collared shirts, etc. I'm not against strict rules for the team meetings and love the collared shirt thing though, so that's not my point here.
    Few players went nuts following a big win. Broke team rules. Good class signed. Bowl game will be watched by less than 1% of the US population. Bunch of early enrollees. Spring ball. Favorable '19 schedule. Life goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treswell View Post
    Few players went nuts following a big win. Broke team rules. Good class signed. Bowl game will be watched by less than 1% of the US population. Bunch of early enrollees. Spring ball. Favorable '19 schedule. Life goes on.
    Life goes on, that is for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treswell View Post
    5 Gopher stories at top of Pioneer Press website right now

    Gopher Football Not Shying Away from 'Big Boy Fights' with Top Programs
    At Least One Gopher Starter Violates Team Rules, Out for Bowl Game, Fleck Says
    Cretin Derham Hall Receiver Peter Udoibok Excited to Be Part of Gophers
    Gopher quarterback Commit Jacob Clark Impressed Where It's Toughest: Texas
    Gopher Football Targeted Defensive Linemen and Nets Its Best Recruits

    The story is spinning out of control! Fire Coyle...or something....
    Top story on the Strib site last night was starters not playing in the bowl game. Below that was stories about the class, which is what should have been the lead.

    That hurts the program and a competent AD would have had this minimized (the MN press is what it is) and we could have avoided detracting from good news. Is the sky falling? No. Did we blow a chance to focus on the positive? You betcha we did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Word View Post
    Life goes on, that is for sure.
    Yep, life goes on.......and for me, that means my annual quest to find the best Tom and Jerry in Rochester. Pappy's Place is the front runner.

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