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    Quote Originally Posted by dpodoll68 View Post
    I have no idea whether this is accurate: https://247sports.com/college/minnes...pDistribution/, but it shows 82 players on scholarship, with 10 seniors set to depart. If accurate, that would be 72, and would require at least 12 additional departures to facilitate a full class of 25. We already know of a few (Beebe, Dovich) and can guess at many of the rest.
    This is what I used as well. There are a few errors but it’s close. I counted out 73 including Smith, then subtracted Norton, Beebe, and Dovich to get to 70.


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    So what about a guy like Oseland? Will be a fifth year senior next season, didn’t contribute much this year, whereas he did have some contributions as a backup in 2017. Doesn’t look like he has much chance to contribute in 2019, though we will always have an open competition in spring and sometimes guys can surprise you. If he doesn’t show in the spring that he’ll contribute much in 2019, but doesn’t want to transfer or graduate early ... does he “deserve” to keep his scholly? Or should it be pulled to give to a recruit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    So what about a guy like Oseland? Will be a fifth year senior next season, didn’t contribute much this year, whereas he did have some contributions as a backup in 2017. Doesn’t look like he has much chance to contribute in 2019, though we will always have an open competition in spring and sometimes guys can surprise you. If he doesn’t show in the spring that he’ll contribute much in 2019, but doesn’t want to transfer or graduate early ... does he “deserve” to keep his scholly? Or should it be pulled to give to a recruit?
    How would this scenario impact 2019 recruiting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMWinSTP View Post
    How would this scenario impact 2019 recruiting?
    As a 5th year senior, doesn't he already have the hours to graduate? If so, then I imagine his scholarship could be pulled. If for some reason he doesn't have enough credit hours...well, that will get interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    So what about a guy like Oseland? Will be a fifth year senior next season, didn’t contribute much this year, whereas he did have some contributions as a backup in 2017. Doesn’t look like he has much chance to contribute in 2019, though we will always have an open competition in spring and sometimes guys can surprise you. If he doesn’t show in the spring that he’ll contribute much in 2019, but doesn’t want to transfer or graduate early ... does he “deserve” to keep his scholly? Or should it be pulled to give to a recruit?
    Pretty sure he is moving on as he will graduate either this winter or spring. The Gophers always carry SRs/grads off after their last regular season practice and Oseland was in a picture on instagram being carried off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldy Gopher View Post
    Pretty sure he is moving on as he will graduate either this winter or spring. The Gophers always carry SRs/grads off after their last regular season practice and Oseland was in a picture on instagram being carried off.
    Apologize, I had only seen Dovich mentioned as graduating.

    Are there any guys who would be 5th year seniors, not contributors, who WANT to stay for their fifth year rather than graduate in four?

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    I would assume it's a pretty common practice to ask 5th year guys, who have graduated, to retire and move on from football, if they are not expected to contribute in their 5th year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxyJR1 View Post
    I would assume it's a pretty common practice to ask 5th year guys, who have graduated, to retire and move on from football, if they are not expected to contribute in their 5th year.
    Yes, that's why before senior day each year everyone goes and looks through the RS JR's on the roster to speculate

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    Well sure it's probably common to *ask* those guys to move on. If they have the credits to graduate after their fourth year in school, and my understanding is a lot of these guys take summer school and so they often do have the credits, and you're not going to get to play that last year, why wouldn't you?

    My question is, are there guys who still decide they want to stay, anyway?

    And if there are guys like that, and you need that scholarship for new players coming in, is it "right" to pull their scholarship? I would say so, but just curious if that has even needed to be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    Well sure it's probably common to *ask* those guys to move on. If they have the credits to graduate after their fourth year in school, and my understanding is a lot of these guys take summer school and so they often do have the credits, and you're not going to get to play that last year, why wouldn't you?

    My question is, are there guys who still decide they want to stay, anyway?

    And if there are guys like that, and you need that scholarship for new players coming in, is it "right" to pull their scholarship? I would say so, but just curious if that has even needed to be the case.
    First - I'm pretty sure the B1G had a policy for more than 5 years that players that were recruited to scholarships were guaranteed 5 years of scholarship if they RS'd. I remember Kill talking about it several years ago when the NCAA was discussing it (basically said didn't matter since B1G was already doing it). I'm pretty certain the U can't "pull" their scholarship. Obviously there are other ways to get guys to leave, but I don't think that is one of them.

    To your question, the one guy I can think of was Moses Alipate. I'm nearly sure he graduated in 4 years and came back for his fifth year anyway, even though he had no chance of playing. I remember thinking there was no way he'd be back for year 5, but there he was. I was questioning why Kill didn't pull his scholly, but again, I believe he couldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeville Goldy View Post
    First - I'm pretty sure the B1G had a policy for more than 5 years that players that were recruited to scholarships were guaranteed 5 years of scholarship if they RS'd. I remember Kill talking about it several years ago when the NCAA was discussing it (basically said didn't matter since B1G was already doing it). I'm pretty certain the U can't "pull" their scholarship. Obviously there are other ways to get guys to leave, but I don't think that is one of them.

    To your question, the one guy I can think of was Moses Alipate. I'm nearly sure he graduated in 4 years and came back for his fifth year anyway, even though he had no chance of playing. I remember thinking there was no way he'd be back for year 5, but there he was. I was questioning why Kill didn't pull his scholly, but again, I believe he couldn't.
    Thanks. It is probably a rare thing.

    Looking at the 247sports chart posted in this thread, these are the 4th year juniors on scholarship:

    Femi-Cole - limited play, is he graduating?
    Brooks - was technically a true senior this year? Regardless, he is coming back as far as I know
    Beebe - coming back? Mostly used as a blocker, at times
    Witham - similar to Beebe, but played less?
    Oseland - per this thread is leaving
    Dovich - graduating
    Delattiboudere - plays a lot, would assume he's coming back
    Renner - has really come on strong this year, unless he has job/career plans he wants to get started on, would assume he's coming back?

    The rest are true juniors (meaning they play or played) or transfers (OJ, Royal, Williamson) who play. The true juniors are all starters except Devers ... which is a guy who hasn't done much. But I assume he'll be back.


    At most I see 5 guys there, maybe 6 if Renner has other plans.

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    I believe Femi-Cole was part of the senior day introductions so I'm assuming he will leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gophers_4life View Post
    Thanks. It is probably a rare thing.

    Looking at the 247sports chart posted in this thread, these are the 4th year juniors on scholarship:

    Femi-Cole - limited play, is he graduating?
    Brooks - was technically a true senior this year? Regardless, he is coming back as far as I know
    Beebe - coming back? Mostly used as a blocker, at times
    Witham - similar to Beebe, but played less?
    Oseland - per this thread is leaving
    Dovich - graduating
    Delattiboudere - plays a lot, would assume he's coming back
    Renner - has really come on strong this year, unless he has job/career plans he wants to get started on, would assume he's coming back?

    The rest are true juniors (meaning they play or played) or transfers (OJ, Royal, Williamson) who play. The true juniors are all starters except Devers ... which is a guy who hasn't done much. But I assume he'll be back.


    At most I see 5 guys there, maybe 6 if Renner has other plans.
    Assuming those 5-6 do leave the program, we'd need about 4-5 more to leave by the looks of the recruiting class right now. Note: 247 still lists Grant Norton.

    Potential candidates:
    Phillip Howard (WR, RS Soph) - Minimal playing time, more talented WR coming in this class
    Ben Davis (OG, RS Soph) - Minimal playing time, didn't hear his name alot/at all during the season, but we do still want depth on the OL...
    Bailey Schoenfelder (ILB, RS Soph) - Minimal Playing time, Didn't hear his name alot, but we look thin at ILB so idk
    Calvin Swenson (DB, RS Soph) - Minimal Playing time, but we're thin at DB

    Less likely, but still potential
    Dominik London (RB, RS FR) - No idea here, but if he's behind Nolan Edmonds, Bryce Williams, and Mohamed Ibrahim right now, he might want to transfer to get playing time
    Harry Van Dyne (WR, RS FR) - Again, No idea since he's only been with the team 2 years now, but he appears to be pretty far down on the depth chart, may want to transfer for playing time
    Nathan Bursch (TE, RS FR) - Saw no playing time this year when most of the other TE some at least some, Combined with the little use of TE in Fleck's system, might transfer for playing time
    Malcolm Robinson (DL, RS Fr) - No playing time, but we might want him for depth
    Trenton Guthrie (LB, RS Fr) - No playing time, but we might want him for depth
    Grant Ryerse (K/P, RS Fr) - No playing time, but he might still want to compete for the K/P position


    These are just some candidates I picked out mainly based on my perception of how much they contributed, I could be very wrong. It does look like we have enough candidates to leave/transfer that we should be good to fill this class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swelna View Post
    Assuming those 5-6 do leave the program, we'd need about 4-5 more to leave by the looks of the recruiting class right now. Note: 247 still lists Grant Norton.

    Potential candidates:
    Phillip Howard (WR, RS Soph) - Minimal playing time, more talented WR coming in this class
    Ben Davis (OG, RS Soph) - Minimal playing time, didn't hear his name alot/at all during the season, but we do still want depth on the OL...
    Bailey Schoenfelder (ILB, RS Soph) - Minimal Playing time, Didn't hear his name alot, but we look thin at ILB so idk
    Calvin Swenson (DB, RS Soph) - Minimal Playing time, but we're thin at DB

    Less likely, but still potential
    Dominik London (RB, RS FR) - No idea here, but if he's behind Nolan Edmonds, Bryce Williams, and Mohamed Ibrahim right now, he might want to transfer to get playing time
    Harry Van Dyne (WR, RS FR) - Again, No idea since he's only been with the team 2 years now, but he appears to be pretty far down on the depth chart, may want to transfer for playing time
    Nathan Bursch (TE, RS FR) - Saw no playing time this year when most of the other TE some at least some, Combined with the little use of TE in Fleck's system, might transfer for playing time
    Malcolm Robinson (DL, RS Fr) - No playing time, but we might want him for depth
    Trenton Guthrie (LB, RS Fr) - No playing time, but we might want him for depth
    Grant Ryerse (K/P, RS Fr) - No playing time, but he might still want to compete for the K/P position


    These are just some candidates I picked out mainly based on my perception of how much they contributed, I could be very wrong. It does look like we have enough candidates to leave/transfer that we should be good to fill this class.
    I know Schoenfelder is on scholarship now but can you confirm that Davis and Swenson are? I'm not 100% sure either way. If they aren't, then obviously their spot on our roster doesn't affect scholarship count at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatherBeGolfing View Post
    I know Schoenfelder is on scholarship now but can you confirm that Davis and Swenson are? I'm not 100% sure either way. If they aren't, then obviously their spot on our roster doesn't affect scholarship count at all.
    Swenson got awarded one this fall.
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