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  1. #166

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmag21 View Post
    These reports are encouraging. It’s beginning to look as if I didn’t know what I was talking about, and I’ll be happy if that turns out to be the case.


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    It's as if Pitino and staff do this recruiting thing for a living and we don't.

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  2. #167

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrain19 View Post
    None of us know a damn thing. But that low ranking sure lured us in. Now he’s re-evaluated and we like him. We STILL don’t know a damn thing. Time will tell but neither the kid nor his recruiters deserve any criticism before he’s ever played a minute. Maybe let it play out one time!


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    Except for somebody who professionally scouts players and is the editor of a large recruiting website went and saw him play a couple games and then wrote detailed notes about it. So, someone does know a little something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WriterGoph View Post
    Except for somebody who professionally scouts players and is the editor of a large recruiting website went and saw him play a couple games and then wrote detailed notes about it. So, someone does know a little something.
    I’m guessing the same pro saw Gabe play in high school as well as college coaches and all are now saying they were wrong on where they had him. It happens. I liked Tre and Gabe. Didn’t know Gabe would make this impact so early. I don’t know if Tre will and neither does anyone else. We hope they do but we don’t know. My point was before we pass judgement on anyone we should let it play out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrain19 View Post
    I’m guessing the same pro saw Gabe play in high school as well as college coaches and all are now saying they were wrong on where they had him. It happens. I liked Tre and Gabe. Didn’t know Gabe would make this impact so early. I don’t know if Tre will and neither does anyone else. We hope they do but we don’t know. My point was before we pass judgement on anyone we should let it play out.


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    Agreed on that point. I was just speaking to the adjusted rankings

  5. #170

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    Quote Originally Posted by WriterGoph View Post
    Agreed on that point. I was just speaking to the adjusted rankings
    It’s great to see the adjustment. I’ll take kids who get it done in the classroom and show athleticism, shooting ability, and a willingness to defend. To me that is a phenomenal foundation on which to build.


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    Go Gophers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedGopher View Post



    Go Gophers!!
    https://247sports.com/college/basket...ing-125318596/

    He is now a 4-star under 247's ranking.

    Did the Minnesota scholarship push him from 3* to 4*? Hahaha. We're comin'!

  8. #173

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyJamesMD View Post
    https://247sports.com/college/basket...ing-125318596/

    He is now a 4-star under 247's ranking.

    Did the Minnesota scholarship push him from 3* to 4*? Hahaha. We're comin'!
    Sounds like he played in a Thanksgiving tournament and was the player of the game in both wins his team had... many national scouts singled him out as a standout player

  9. #174

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedGopher View Post



    Go Gophers!!
    Why would the father of a recruit get this idea that people are doubting his son’s talent? Maybe he read this thread, it is open to the public and has free access...

    Everyone is free to express their opinion, but please pause a moment and think before you wildly speculate without any knowledge. It is read by more people than you think.

    A large majority of the fans trust Pitino’s judgement over some recruiting site.
    We are excited to see Tre wearing Maroon and Gold (and some white, black...) next year.


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  10. #175

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    Why would the father of a recruit get this idea that people are doubting his son’s talent? Maybe he read this thread, it is open to the public and has free access...

    Everyone is free to express their opinion, but please pause a moment and think before you wildly speculate without any knowledge. It is read by more people than you think.

    A large majority of the fans trust Pitino’s judgement over some recruiting site.
    We are excited to see Tre wearing Maroon and Gold (and some white, black...) next year.


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    Oh I don't know, maybe it's because his son didn't get many D1 offers which literally means most D1 coaches are doubting his ability to play on that level?

  11. #176

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    Quote Originally Posted by WriterGoph View Post
    Except for somebody who professionally scouts players and is the editor of a large recruiting website went and saw him play a couple games and then wrote detailed notes about it. So, someone does know a little something.
    Eric Bossi is respected by coaches for his opinion and he likes this recruit. Most of the internet scouts are hacks and just raise and lower rankings based on what coaches have offered. A name who coaches actually pay is THE GODFATHER OF SCOUTING , Tom Konchalski and he is not online, he is independent and his stuff sells for about 475.00 seperate from a individual evaluation. Rankings are for fans. Anyone can rank the the top 10. Real recruiting is finding guys like Murphy and Gabe. Non blue blood schools win big with these finds.

  12. #177

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemy2u View Post
    No, we also had the coaches evaluation that lead to an offer and a commitment. A lot of people were discounting and even ridiculing the coaches judgement. In hindsight, it looks like the problem was with the posters snap to judgement and not with the coaches We will know more in the years to come. It is nice to see some at least realize that they may have over reacted.


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    Pitino offering tells you that he thinks he's good enough to be on the team, but that's it. It doesn't indicate what type of role he will have. That's where the rankings/offers come in. If a player is ranked really high and has really good offer, fans will assume he's going to have a big role on the team. If he doesn't have good offers and has a low ranking, fans will assume they probably won't have a big role. We're all aware that there are a number of exceptions (like Gabe) and you don't know for sure until they start playing games, but rankings are usually pretty reliable.

    I'm glad Tre is going to be on the team, and given that I have nothing else to go off of, the fact that his rating has improved and scouts have had good things to say about him, I'm even more excited.

  13. #178

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    Quote Originally Posted by builtbadgers View Post
    Eric Bossi is respected by coaches for his opinion and he likes this recruit. Most of the internet scouts are hacks and just raise and lower rankings based on what coaches have offered. A name who coaches actually pay is THE GODFATHER OF SCOUTING , Tom Konchalski and he is not online, he is independent and his stuff sells for about 475.00 seperate from a individual evaluation. Rankings are for fans. Anyone can rank the the top 10. Real recruiting is finding guys like Murphy and Gabe. Non blue blood schools win big with these finds.
    I agree that Gabe looks to have been a steal. He might be one of the best 15 freshman in the country. As far as Murphy, he got offers from good programs, including Shaka Smart’s VCU (granted, Smart didn’t bring him to Texas with him). I would still call Murphy a diamond in the rough considering some college b-ball analysts had him as a pre-season third team all American, which no one projected. Overall, I think it’s hard to compare recruite like this.

    I was really disenchanted with the Tre Williams signing. I saw a 300-something ranked player with no big time offers. But I’m also a big Pitino fan and am not totally shocked that Williams shot up the board. Pitino made Nate Mason and Jordan Murphy all-Big10 caliber players. I think he can make Williams a solid contributor day 1...

    It’s funny how we kind of lack guard depth this year, but next year we will be stacked. Washington, Carr, Willis, Williams, Gabe K., and even Coffey (if you want to call him a guard). Will be interesting to see how’s it plays out. I’ve read Willis is a PG but Marcus Fuller calls him a combo guard so maybe this depth chart will work:

    Washington/Carr
    Gabe K./Willis
    Coffey/Williams

  14. #179

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyser Söze View Post
    Rankings aren't perfect, but they're usually pretty reliable
    Naivete. They aren't that reliable when you get beyond the most elite players and they are probably in some ways less reliable now than they were twenty-five years ago for the same reasons that "journalism" is less reliable than it was twenty-five years ago. Any schmuck with a laptop can now publish things that amount to little more than a combination of plagiarism and shallow acquaintance. And there are too many outlets and not enough quality editors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbfbp View Post
    Naivete. They aren't that reliable when you get beyond the most elite players and they are probably in some ways less reliable now than they were twenty-five years ago for the same reasons that "journalism" is less reliable than it was twenty-five years ago. Any schmuck with a laptop can now publish things that amount to little more than a combination of plagiarism and shallow acquaintance. And there are too many outlets and not enough quality editors.
    You quoted me saying that rankings aren't perfect, but then proceeded to respond as if I said they are.

    I know this is a different sport, but I think this article illustrates that rankings are pretty reliable:
    https://247sports.com/Article/NFL-Dr...nd--117819292/

    If you don't feel like reading it, the relevant part says that roughly 57.6% of 5-stars get drafted, 23.6% of 4-stars, 6.9% of 3-stars, and 1.1% of 2-stars. If rankings weren't reliable at all, those percentages would be much closer to being even, but they aren't.
    Last edited by Keyser Söze; 11-26-2018 at 12:53 PM.

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