Shooter: Tracy Claeys has Washington State fourth in defense in the Pac 12

Gold Vision said:

Claeys was an interim stopgap with a terrible incoming class who embarrassed the University by his complete mishandling of the sex scandal and player boycott. He was completely silent, and never stood up to take a stand either way outside of a weak statement on Twitter. The team and university needed him and he did nothing. He wasn’t fired because he was fat, he was fired because he was spineless.

The guy had zero leadership qualities to promote and elevate the team. A head coach at the college level needs to have charisma and character, Claeys is not a head football coach. He seems to be a great defensive coordinator and Leach has enough charisma so he can just sit back in the shadows.

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And no mention of the many Coyle mistakes.

Gold Vision said:

Claeys was an interim stopgap with a terrible incoming class who embarrassed the University by his complete mishandling of the sex scandal and player boycott. He was completely silent, and never stood up to take a stand either way outside of a weak statement on Twitter. The team and university needed him and he did nothing. He wasn’t fired because he was fat, he was fired because he was spineless.

The guy had zero leadership qualities to promote and elevate the team. A head coach at the college level needs to have charisma and character, Claeys is not a head football coach. He seems to be a great defensive coordinator and Leach has enough charisma so he can just sit back in the shadows.

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Leach charisma insinuation = bizarro Gopher world. I like Leach but he is much more an autist than charismatic

Pompous Elitist said:

I think you’re projecting some of your prejudices onto the players, coaches actions and words. That is, the players are for rape, Claeys doesn’t care about victims, etc, etc. Its faux outrage and misses the point. The sad part is the boycott could have been avoided if Coyle could communicate the process effectively to the players. As we’ve seen he is incapable of cogently explaining something even when asked numerous times, or perhaps is too sensitive about saying something that could be used against him he freezes up in public or avoids speaking entirely.




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I never said anything about my stance on the alleged rape or the EOAA process. I said Claeys was basically MIA during the entire scandal. He let a bunch of his players make national news and drag the Team and University through the mud. A head football coach should never lose control of his team like that. He should be the one making the decision to pull out of the bowl game or not, not sit on the sidelines and let it all unfold. It was a complete circus, and he didn’t even answer questions until the boycott was over!

Since when is it the AD’s job to explain to a bunch of football players why the University was following a particular policy? The head ****ing coach should be in those team meetings and getting a hold of the situation. When he finally took a side, it was one tweet. You don’t pay head coach money to a guy who can’t control his team or make tough decisions.

Outside of the die-hard Claeys fans on Gopherhole, it was hardly a shock that Claeys was let go.
This wasn't some decision of "Hey, do we sign Claeys to a 5 year 12 million dollar deal, or do we try to find something better?"

There was no way Claeys could have gotten an extension at that time. At best he could have gotten a one year extension or something similar to what he got with the interim AD who signed him which was basically a very bad contract for the coach.

His biggest mistake was not having an agent do his contract. Glen Mason explained this. He had the U by the shorthairs when Kill resigned and he didn't capitalize on it like a good agent would have.
He was passive and naive and many other things that an agent wouldn't have been.




A head coach doesn't need charisma, but they do need to be a leader of some sort, and a good leader should have the ability to know when he needs help, which Claeys did, and didn't get it through an agent or in how the months leading up to his firing were handled.

Too many people here eating up the cheesy memes ("row the boat")

jamalo said:

Too many people here eating up the cheesy memes ("row the boat")

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Yeah, weird to believe in a new coach more than through the first 20 months when he has a losing record.
No doubt about that.

One thing our fan base has never done well enough is complain as soon as we lose a few game and demand new coaches sooner so let's try that.

/s

Face The Facts said:

Yeah, weird to believe in a new coach more than through the first 20 months when he has a losing record.
No doubt about that.

One thing our fan base has never done well enough is complain as soon as we lose a few game and demand new coaches sooner so let's try that.

/s

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Row the boat!

Face The Facts said:

Yeah, weird to believe in a new coach more than through the first 20 months when he has a losing record.
No doubt about that.

One thing our fan base has never done well enough is complain as soon as we lose a few game and demand new coaches sooner so let's try that.

/s

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Too many fans are inconsistent with this though. A lot of the same people saying we need to be patient with Fleck were the ones ready to crucify Claeys for clock management issues in one of his first games as a head coach.

bleedsmaroonandgold said:

Too many fans are inconsistent with this though. A lot of the same people saying we need to be patient with Fleck were the ones ready to crucify Claeys for clock management issues in one of his first games as a head coach.

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That was me, and I was angry.

Face The Facts said:

Outside of the die-hard Claeys fans on Gopherhole, it was hardly a shock that Claeys was let go.
This wasn't some decision of "Hey, do we sign Claeys to a 5 year 12 million dollar deal, or do we try to find something better?"

There was no way Claeys could have gotten an extension at that time. At best he could have gotten a one year extension or something similar to what he got with the interim AD who signed him which was basically a very bad contract for the coach.

His biggest mistake was not having an agent do his contract. Glen Mason explained this. He had the U by the shorthairs when Kill resigned and he didn't capitalize on it like a good agent would have.

He was passive and naive and many other things that an agent wouldn't have been.


A head coach doesn't need charisma, but they do need to be a leader of some sort, and a good leader should have the ability to know when he needs help, which Claeys did, and didn't get it through an agent or in how the months leading up to his firing were handled.

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