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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsfan24 View Post
    Oh god no.


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    How come?
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    How come?
    There are a plethora of more qualified coaches available.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsfan24 View Post
    There are a plethora of more qualified coaches available.


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    At this late date? She is going to get a head coaching position soon-why not us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tikited View Post
    At this late date? She is going to get a head coaching position soon-why not us?
    Because I don’t believe she is anything more than a publicity stunt.


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    A little wonky but could be a good explanation of the regression of Towns and Wiggins with Butler on the floor last year.

    "There are some misconceptions about Wiggins. First is the general misconception that many seem to have that he’s a bad player and a total bust. Readers of this Wolves blog should not require any detailed explanation of what makes that a foolish take. He has flaws, yes, and some of them are more important than others. But Wig’s a difficult matchup for most other wing defenders in the league and he’s proven capable of racking up large sums of points on a nightly basis. Players like him do not grow on trees and he has value in in this imperfect and hopefully-incomplete version of the player he will one day become.

    The second misconception people seem to have is that the Timberwolves were not a good offensive team when they only had Wiggins and Towns here, before Jimmy Butler showed up and fixed everything...

    Last season the Wolves had an impressive offensive rating of 110.8, which was 4th best in the NBA. The starters were particularly great on offense. Karl-Anthony Towns led the way with a mighty o-rtg of 113.6, followed by Butler at 113.3. They shared the floor a lot. Wiggins came it at 111.0, which is also very good. These performance numbers were improved for KAT and Wig from the season before, but not that much improved. In 2016-17, they came in at 109.9 (Towns) and 109.8 (Wiggins). When you consider how young each of them was, it was really impressive that they were to score so effectively in major roles — team leaders, by far.

    Also, and perhaps more importantly, in the games leading up to Butler’s arrival in ‘Sota (the end of the 2016-17 season, after Zach LaVine injured his knee) Wiggins and Towns were putting up huge individual stats in the context of extremely-good team offense. In the final 32 games of that season (the number played after LaVine’s ACL) Wiggins averaged 25.9 points per game on 45.3 percent shooting, including 37.9 percent from downtown. He averaged 7.2 free throw attempts per game. In that same stretch, Towns averaged a whopping 28.4 points per game on 59.2 percent shooting, including 41.0 percent from three.

    But maybe they were just hogging the ball, and maybe the team wasn’t actually scoring very well during that timeframe when Wiggins-Towns 2017 had the look of a winning ticket? Not true. In that stretch of time, spanning 32 games and 953 combined minutes together on the floor, the duo had a lineup offensive rating of 113.8. For a sense of how great that is, the Warriors led the NBA in offense last season with an offensive rating of 112.3. The Rockets were right behind them at 112.2. The last time, and the only time, that Andrew Wiggins and Karl-Anthony Towns were tasked with carrying an offense together, their shared lineups scored more than a point better than those teams.

    The Wolves offense improved last year and that’s worth repeating because Butler’s absence will be felt, no matter what the mitigating factors might be. But there were things that both Thibs and Jimmy did that clearly held back the potential of Wiggins and Towns..

    We’ll begin with Thibs. Any team that has two bigtime slashing perimeter players should make sure to stagger them as much as possible. The idea would be that, for 48 minutes, the opponent always has to deal with at least one difficult playmaker off the dribble. Not only does the opponent get zero chance to catch its breath, but the two star players each gets an opportunity to handle the ball and get into his groove. The Thunder usually do this with Russell Westbrook and Paul George. The Rockets do it with James Harden and Chris Paul. The Warriors, well, they have so many superstars that staggering is almost inevitable.

    The Wolves should’ve been staggering Wiggins and Butler, but Thibs opted against that strategy. This just ruined Wig’s effectiveness. His entire basketball life has been about receiving the basketball and then going to work with the basketball. Last season, he was abruptly transformed into an off-ball, floating wing player who was supposed to “be aggressive” without any clear way of doing that. Realistically, his best season would’ve been had via improved three-point shooting. Since he struggled in that capacity, his offense was effectively limited to taking whatever opportunities were left over when Jimmy was tired of holding the ball and jacking up jumpers when the shot clock was starting to wind down. Anyone who thought Wiggins “got worse” instead of being misused last year was not paying attention. Had Thibs staggered Wiggins into the second unit as that group’s de facto go-to guy (instead of Jamal Crawford, who ineffectively handled this duty) he might’ve been able to replicate his prior-season stats and boosted the Wolves bench. But alas, that did not happen.

    Moving on to Jimmy. As great as Jimmy is, he would not be the most fun player to play with. He’s a ball stopper that sometimes morphs into just a plain ball hog. Consider the stat nugget that Tom Haberstroh shared this morning:..

    The stat has to do with KAT getting frozen out of clutch situations, but the concept applied similarly to Wiggins. As games grew close in the 4th Quarter, everybody would tighten up as Jimmy would take the ball and dribble it into the ground. He would back his man down and just keep on dribbling. Eventually he would either try to draw a foul or a contested jumper. Sometimes it worked. Many times it didn’t. The Wolves lost several games last year due to their penchant for freezing the offense, and Jimmy was the principal player responsible for this. His own 4th Quarter offensive rating was still good (109.9) but significantly below his overall one of 113.3 and was the worst 4th Quarter o-rtg among Wolves starters.

    The last possible reason to expect bigger things from Wiggins after Butler and presumably Thibs are both gone is this: for the first time in his entire NBA career, Wig might have the opportunity to play in a spread-offense system. In his time with the Timberwolves he has literally never played in a modern offense that purposefully opens up the lane for dribble penetration. In his rookie season under Flip Saunders, they were running outdated pin-down action for mid-range jumpers when they weren’t putting Wiggins through his own little Post Up Camp. In Year 2 under Smitch, they started both Towns and Gorgui Dieng, and the offensive structure of that season is best remembered by the inopportune flashes that Dieng would commit, right when Wiggins or Towns was trying to take his man to the basket. Piles of 6’8″ or 7′ bodies everywhere. This is not an ideal climate for a slasher like Andrew Wiggins. And, under Thibs, there was the first season where Wig and KAT were actually blowing up, as mentioned above, but it was never in a spread system. Like Smitch, Thibs played the twin towers lineup until he landed Taj Gibson. And when Taj arrived, the Wolves structured their system around ball control and offensive rebounding. It was a great success for the team, but painfully limiting of Wig’s personal potential.

    If the Wolves hire a coach who utilizes modern “4 out, 1 in” base sets, it should mean a lot more space for Wiggins to cash in on his best skill: flying in space...

    These are a few things to consider when you interpret Nick Wiggins’ reaction to the Butler news. Even if he his reaction was for different (personal?) reasons, he would have been justified to feel excited for what is in store for his brother. If he’s given back the basketball and he and Towns are once again tasked with carrying the offense, they should have no problem putting up the requisite numbers to keep the team competitive and look good doing it. He won’t have to play the misfit “spot shooter” role that Butler’s addition slotted him in, and he will no longer be frozen out, as the game moves into Winning Time. If he’s lucky, the Wolves will find a new coach who appreciates how (Christian Bale voice) F&#*ING DISTRACTING it is for a slasher to have several big bodies hanging out around the lane.

    Yes, all should be just fine for Wiggins and the Wolves offense in Jimmy’s absence.

    Now, defense, on the other hand…
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    http://www.awolfamongwolves.com/2018...iggins-family/

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    Didn’t read it all, but all that great offense at the end of the season two years ago also had Ricky Rubio running the show, not Jeff Teague. Another wonderful Thibs move. Hopefully, Towns and Wiggins will be great with Butler gone, but I’d really like Rubio back with them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamsArenaGuy View Post
    Didn’t read it all, but all that great offense at the end of the season two years ago also had Ricky Rubio running the show, not Jeff Teague. Another wonderful Thibs move. Hopefully, Towns and Wiggins will be great with Butler gone, but I’d really like Rubio back with them.


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    Yep. If he’s allowed to continue, Thibs will single-handedly destroy what was a promising base of young talent. I knew this was a failure when J Butt took like the third game-winning shot attempt in a row late last season (I think) from about 40 feet with 2 guys in his face and Kat wide open on the other side of the court. Get them both out of here and hire someone who can support these young players instead of just screaming like a maniac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsfan24 View Post
    Because I don’t believe she is anything more than a publicity stunt.


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    Pop doesn't strike me as a publicity stunt kind of guy. Women can be in charge of stuff outside of the kitchen. It's OK.

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    RandBall: Butler seemed like the next Garnett, but he's acting more like Marbury

    Swept up in the undeniably optimistic time following the Wolves’ acquisition of Jimmy Butler last summer, I declared that the move had the potential to be the Kevin Garnett trade in reverse.

    The thought was this: The Wolves were uniting a big three, just as Boston had in acquiring Garnett in 2007, and they were getting a player in Butler who seemed to have similarities to KG.

    In a one-on-one interview with Wolves coach and president of basketball operations Thibodeau at Butler’s raucous introductory news conference at Mall of America, Thibodeau brought up Garnett unprompted in making a comparison to Butler.

    “I was around Kevin Garnett, and the thing about Kevin was not only his words but what he did — how he practiced, how he prepared, how he played. When he played in the game, everything he did was about winning — making the extra pass if a guy was open,” Thibodeau said. “As great a shooter as Kevin was, the next guy always got the pass from him. When you ask what a great defensive player is, it’s a multiple effort guy. That’s what Kevin was, and that’s what Jimmy is.”

    The on-court comparisons proved apt during Butler’s first season for the Wolves, when he was the main component in helping Minnesota improve from 31 to 47 wins and reach the playoffs for the first time since 2004.

    But as details of reports have emerged in the wake of Butler asking the Timberwolves to trade him after one season in Minnesota, it’s time for a different comparison.

    Butler seems to be acting and thinking far less like Garnett and far more like Stephon Marbury.

    http://www.startribune.com/butler-se...ury/493866061/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakin' The Plane View Post
    Pop doesn't strike me as a publicity stunt kind of guy. Women can be in charge of stuff outside of the kitchen. It's OK.
    Women’s college basketball equates to boys high school basketball. The WNBA equates to D3 men’s basketball.....maybe. She was hired as an NBA Assistant Coach merely one year after retiring from the WNBA having NEVER been a coach at any level. My position could be wrong but it certainly isn’t unreasonable.


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    The referenced article:

    "Rival executives lobbing calls to Minnesota's front office on the possibility of trading for four-time All-Star forward Jimmy Butler are getting their inquiries rebuffed, league sources told ESPN.

    In the aftermath of Butler's trade request this week, Minnesota executives are telling teams that Butler's an elite player and that the franchise intends to keep him, league sources said.

    Often that's an opening message that's followed with a query on what a prospective trade partner might offer in a hypothetical deal, but that hasn't been the case in the Timberwolves dialogue with teams late this week, sources said.

    Nevertheless, Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor plans to be heavily involved in the decision-making process with President of Basketball Operations Tom Thibodeau and GM Scott Layden, league sources said.

    Thibodeau doesn't want to trade Butler, especially in a scenario that imperils the franchise's ability to reach the playoffs for a second straight year after missing the postseason the previous 13 seasons, league sources said.

    Because of Thibodeau's uncertain long-term status with ownership, Taylor could have a different view on how to handle the trade request given the possibility that Butler could leave Minnesota in summer free agency without the Wolves getting back the kind of assets that would come with a trade.

    Taylor has overseen high-profile Minnesota stars getting traded in the past, including Kevin Garnett and Kevin Love.

    Butler, 29, prefers a trade to the Los Angeles Clippers, and has a strong interest with the New York Knicks as well as an interest with the Brooklyn Nets, league sources said. Those three teams have the salary cap space to sign Butler outright this summer to a maximum contract extension."

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...er-trade-calls

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    Thibs is playing poker right now. Trouble is he is terrible at everything else so why would this be different?
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