Annexstad Named Starting QB for NMSU Game

Worth watching...you can see the separation between the two beginning to show. Much better compared to Spring 2017 QBs.

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I watched most of the spring last night to try and get a better feel for ZA. What I took out of it was that the O-Line still had a long way to go as of last April. That being said, the Spring game was a draft so we never saw the 1's all together. Over all I have been very optimistic going into this season, I think I need to curb my expectations.
 

I watched most of the spring last night to try and get a better feel for ZA. What I took out of it was that the O-Line still had a long way to go as of last April. That being said, the Spring game was a draft so we never saw the 1's all together. Over all I have been very optimistic going into this season, I think I need to curb my expectations.

I agree. It was hard to evaluate the qb’s with the poor o line play. They both made some nice throws.


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Annexstad, Ibrahim, and Autman-Bell got my attention in the Spring game. Considering Autman-Bell is not looking to be a top 3 WR at the moment makes me a little more comfortable about our depth there.
 

I watched most of the spring last night to try and get a better feel for ZA. What I took out of it was that the O-Line still had a long way to go as of last April. That being said, the Spring game was a draft so we never saw the 1's all together. Over all I have been very optimistic going into this season, I think I need to curb my expectations.

They got better as a group, so did the defense, between then and now.
 

It appears we are really deep at WR now.
If we have a WR who is not able to get open or who isn't reliably catching the ball, we've got other options to take their spot. Good amount of competition there.

I re-watched the spring game and Annexstad was making some good throws and using good vision. He appears to be a smart QB.
 


There’s a lot more that goes into playing quarterback than what I’ve heard mentioned here. No, I don’t recall reading all this stuff you’re referring to.

You sound like a breathless boy band fan. Nobody has played a snap and we’re all free to make our own evaluations. I wasn’t particularly impressed by either at the spring game. It doesn’t mean they can’t or won’t be really good some day but I’m not prepared to gush like a 12 year old girl.

I agree that we shouldn't get carried away by expectations for Zack (or Tanner). Chances are neither one is going to have a great year. On the other hand, Alchemy may be on to something (can't believe I'm saying that). Every now and then an athlete comes along who consistently exceeds lower expectations at each level due to his/her sheer will to succeed (TJ McConnell comes to mind). Maybe Zack is one of those. Going to perhaps the best prep program in the country and winning the starting QB job over much higher rated players says something. I know the competition for the job here isn't so daunting, but being named the starting QB as a true freshman walk-on over a more highly recruited player also says something. I guess we'll know soon enough.
 

It appears we are really deep at WR now.
If we have a WR who is not able to get open or who isn't reliably catching the ball, we've got other options to take their spot. Good amount of competition there.

I re-watched the spring game and Annexstad was making some good throws and using good vision. He appears to be a smart QB.

Agreed. Zack also scrambles well, has a quick release, keeps his cool, utilizes multiple receivers, and keeps his eyes downfield. All good traits for a QB working behind a young, inexperienced line. Think Kirk and PJ made a good choice for now with this team. Even a superb pocket passer might not fit.
 

I still disagree. A kid like Zack, that gives up playing for his high school and transfers to a known football factory, doesn’t think he will fail. He had the confidence to go in and compete directly at a school that traditionally puts QB’s into the NFL. He turned down P5 scholarship offers to come to the U, because “he knew” that he would become the starter. It is a special winner mentally and talent that can make a QB special.
This is not meant to criticize Tanner, he looks to be a better QB than we have had for awhile. The fact is that if you plan to compete at the top levels of College Football, you need to reload at QB every year. You hope to hit lightning in a bottle with a QB that has the physical talent and that special winning leadership. Next year we bring in a couple more QB’s that will push this year’s QB’s. Most top level teams are full of “potential QB’s” in hope they find that lightning.

When you say, "go in and compete directly at a school that traditionally puts QB’s into the NFL," are you referring to IMG? The football program that's existed for a total of 5 years? That's funny stuff.
 

I agree that we shouldn't get carried away by expectations for Zack (or Tanner). Chances are neither one is going to have a great year. On the other hand, Alchemy may be on to something (can't believe I'm saying that). Every now and then an athlete comes along who consistently exceeds lower expectations at each level due to his/her sheer will to succeed (TJ McConnell comes to mind). Maybe Zack is one of those. Going to perhaps the best prep program in the country and winning the starting QB job over much higher rated players says something. I know the competition for the job here isn't so daunting, but being named the starting QB as a true freshman walk-on over a more highly recruited player also says something. I guess we'll know soon enough.

In the spring game Annexstad had a lower completion percentage than Morgan, had probably three throws that should have been/would have been picks vs first string Big Ten defenses, took a couple bad sacks. He also had some nice throws and had a nice run. IIRC Mase himself said Morgan looked better overall, after the game. Obviously Zack has had a hell of a summer. I’m NOT saying Annexstad won’t be a success and I haven’t been at every practice and I’m not a coach watching these guys every day. Like SON and Fleck alluded to the difference in the end may have been paper thin. Maybe a turnover here or a missed read there, or what have you. Maybe it was a stark difference, I don’t know.

As long as I’m on my soapbox I don’t buy that PJ will give anyone too long of a leash. What does that even mean? He benched a QB for trying to pick up a bobbled snap. If either guy struggles too much or too long and hurts the team I won’t be surprised to see a temporary switch and perhaps a permanent one depending on results. He may not want to repeat last year and give neither guy any confidence.
 



When you say, "go in and compete directly at a school that traditionally puts QB’s into the NFL," are you referring to IMG? The football program that's existed for a total of 5 years? That's funny stuff.

Yes, who are all these QBs?
 

If Annexstad is the guy does that mean the staff redshirts Morgan? It seems fairly likely to me given the new four games rule but will be interesting to watch.


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If Annexstad is the guy does that mean the staff redshirts Morgan? It seems fairly likely to me given the new four games rule but will be interesting to watch.


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Pretty sure Morgan redshirted last year.
 

If Annexstad is the guy does that mean the staff redshirts Morgan? It seems fairly likely to me given the new four games rule but will be interesting to watch.


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Pay better attention.
 



In the spring game Annexstad had a lower completion percentage than Morgan, had probably three throws that should have been/would have been picks vs first string Big Ten defenses, took a couple bad sacks. He also had some nice throws and had a nice run. IIRC Mase himself said Morgan looked better overall, after the game. Obviously Zack has had a hell of a summer. I’m NOT saying Annexstad won’t be a success and I haven’t been at every practice and I’m not a coach watching these guys every day. Like SON and Fleck alluded to the difference in the end may have been paper thin. Maybe a turnover here or a missed read there, or what have you. Maybe it was a stark difference, I don’t know.

As long as I’m on my soapbox I don’t buy that PJ will give anyone too long of a leash. What does that even mean? He benched a QB for trying to pick up a bobbled snap. If either guy struggles too much or too long and hurts the team I won’t be surprised to see a temporary switch and perhaps a permanent one depending on results. He may not want to repeat last year and give neither guy any confidence.

What I am assuming is this.
Last year we had co-QB's. Both were listed as the starter. Make a bad mistake, we'll use the other starter.

PJ said that is not the case this year. Although it was close, ZA won the job, so it's his.
No short leash means to me means ZA will play the whole game for the first few games unless the following happens.

1. ZA gets injured
2. ZA implodes horrifically. Repeated fumbles / interceptions. Deer in the headlights. Starts making 100 level mistakes repeatedly.
3. We are either leading or losing by a lot and PJ decides TM just needs to get reps to be prepared should ZA need a replacement down the line.

I think that's what PJ means.

If you disagree with any of my three suggested points, you can explain.
 

What I am assuming is this.
Last year we had co-QB's. Both were listed as the starter. Make a bad mistake, we'll use the other starter.

PJ said that is not the case this year. Although it was close, ZA won the job, so it's his.
No short leash means to me means ZA will play the whole game for the first few games unless the following happens.

1. ZA gets injured
2. ZA implodes horrifically. Repeated fumbles / interceptions. Deer in the headlights. Starts making 100 level mistakes repeatedly.
3. We are either leading or losing by a lot and PJ decides TM just needs to get reps to be prepared should ZA need a replacement down the line.

I think that's what PJ means.

If you disagree with any of my three suggested points, you can explain.

Based on last year I’m somewhat skeptical of what will happen after the rubber hits the road, so until we see the live events unfold I have no idea. I think he must genuinely believe Annexstad gives us the better chance to win this year, not in 2019, because he really does need some positive press, offensive stats, and momentum going into the next recruiting cycle IMO. So, we must then believe that Annexstad is the proverbial diamond in the rough, under the radar flyer and I’ll be ecstatic if he is. I’m pretty stoked to see this season unfold with all the young talent out there. What a great story it will be.
 

I don’t think he was giving any promises on starting. I just think Zack had enough confidence in himself that he would win the starting job. That is what I mean when I say he knew.

Yep. Like I said, I don't think the idea is invalid at all. I'm not sure I buy it myself, but that doesn't mean it's not in the realm of possibility. It certainly could be right on the money.


When you say, "go in and compete directly at a school that traditionally puts QB’s into the NFL," are you referring to IMG? The football program that's existed for a total of 5 years? That's funny stuff.

Sure literally he is wrong. But in a (much more) general context, I'm pretty sure that private "sports academies" in Florida have been churning out elite football recruits for years (decades?). That's setting aside the NFL part of it, and just talking about high level CFB recruits.


What I am assuming is this.
Last year we had co-QB's. Both were listed as the starter. Make a bad mistake, we'll use the other starter.

PJ said that is not the case this year. Although it was close, ZA won the job, so it's his.
No short leash means to me means ZA will play the whole game for the first few games unless the following happens.

1. ZA gets injured
2. ZA implodes horrifically. Repeated fumbles / interceptions. Deer in the headlights. Starts making 100 level mistakes repeatedly.
3. We are either leading or losing by a lot and PJ decides TM just needs to get reps to be prepared should ZA need a replacement down the line.

I think that's what PJ means.

If you disagree with any of my three suggested points, you can explain.

This is too far the other way, for me. I can't get on board with this. Now of course, that doesn't mean that it won't happen. Could be exactly correct. We will see.

But I just think it would be foolish not to give TM meaningful game reps with the offense in the NM St game. Now sure ... if we end up being in a shootout 70-70 tie going late into the 4th qtr with ZA having led touchdown drives on each of 10 drives ... fine, keep him in there. But I see two likely possibilities for the NM St game, at least when it comes to our offense:

- we're in comfortable control of the game after the first say 4-5 offensive drives (think like 21-0, 21-3, 21-7 something like that), and so it wouldn't hurt anything to give TM a drive or two to see what he can do
- after first 4-5 offensive drives, we're in a dogfight with NM St (perhaps tied 7-7 or something like that). But that could mean ZA hasn't had a ton of success on those drives. Or maybe they just stalled out ... but in any case, that would seem to warrant giving TM a shot, right?

So either way in those cases, I just can't see TM riding the bench the whole game.


Now you're saying "well wait a second now ... a) that's how it works when you name a starting QB! He gets to play the whole game, then you reassess, and b) Fleck said it wouldn't be a short leash! That would be a short leash in my book!"

Not wrong. But here's the kicker/reason why: NEITHER have ANY game experience. None. It'd be one thing if TM was a redshirt junior this year, and we had an idea of what he was all about in games. But we don't know how either will do in games. There is only so much you can tell by practice. Sometimes, a kid is just a gamer. And also sometimes, a kid looks great in practice but wilts in a game. You don't know, until you try it. That's why ...

I rest my case.
 
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When you say, "go in and compete directly at a school that traditionally puts QB’s into the NFL," are you referring to IMG? The football program that's existed for a total of 5 years? That's funny stuff.

Sorry, it should have been college QB, my mistake. But they are considered one of the top football high schools in the country. My point was that their football program is big time and that it was a major accomplishment for Zack to win the starting job.


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Based on last year I’m somewhat skeptical of what will happen after the rubber hits the road, so until we see the live events unfold I have no idea. I think he must genuinely believe Annexstad gives us the better chance to win this year, not in 2019, because he really does need some positive press, offensive stats, and momentum going into the next recruiting cycle IMO. So, we must then believe that Annexstad is the proverbial diamond in the rough, under the radar flyer and I’ll be ecstatic if he is. I’m pretty stoked to see this season unfold with all the young talent out there. What a great story it will be.

It's not really that hard to believe he's a diamond in the rough. He wasn't really recruited because he didn't play until his senior year, played a little in MN as a soph and was hurt, didn't play as a jr at IMG, started his sr year as a backup to a 4*. Then won the job, and got some late decent offers. There are a ton of late bloomers, or guys who because of injury were off the radar.
He does throw a great ball, has a very quick efficient release, is accurate, moves well in the pocket, and has good size. Just based on that, had he played high school ball in TX or somewhere, and played as a jr and sr, he would have been more highly recruited. I don't think any of the above is debatable.

Will he be a successful college QB? It's a crap shoot, even for the 5*.
 

Sorry, it should have been college QB, my mistake. But they are considered one of the top football high schools in the country. My point was that their football program is big time and that it was a major accomplishment for Zack to win the starting job.


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Did he win the job or was it Sitkowski was struggling so they gave ZA a chance to see what he could do and he played better so they kept him as the starter the rest of the year?
Regardless is was an accomplishment for him to earn the job when given the chance. Here's hoping he continues to improve and can lead the Gophers to a bowl game in his first year on campus and to bigger and better things in the years to come.
 

Did he win the job or was it Sitkowski was struggling so they gave ZA a chance to see what he could do and he played better so they kept him as the starter the rest of the year?
Regardless is was an accomplishment for him to earn the job when given the chance. Here's hoping he continues to improve and can lead the Gophers to a bowl game in his first year on campus and to bigger and better things in the years to come.
I would consider those the same . . .
 

I would consider those the same . . .

The difference could have to do with performance in practice vs performance in games. Sometimes a guy doesn't look great in practice, but flys around in games making plays. Sometimes it's the other way around.
 




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Former NFL quarterback Rich Bartel begins his first season as the offensive coordinator under head coach John Garrett. Bartel, who played with five NFL teams over six seasons, worked the last two football campaigns as the offensive coordinator and quarterback specialist at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla.

Lafayette is a FCS (DI-AA) football school. So that's probably why he stuck that jab in there with regards to NDS.

As far as the punchline, it's disingenuous:
- if the board's theory about Brock getting a scholly simply as a "holding place" for Zack is correct, then that's that, and he probably won't contribute on the field
- Zack I'm sure is a great QB prospect, and could well do great things at Minnesota, perhaps even this year ... but let's not pretend here, he's the starter because of the incredible void at Minnesota at QB. Fleck put his bet on VV, that's who he brought in to be the starter, and that's who was supposed to lead our offense the next couple seasons. VV was a major bust, and that left us with two freshmen.
 

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Lafayette is a FCS (DI-AA) football school. So that's probably why he stuck that jab in there with regards to NDS.

As far as the punchline, it's disingenuous:
- if the board's theory about Brock getting a scholly simply as a "holding place" for Zack is correct, then that's that, and he probably won't contribute on the field
- Zack I'm sure is a great QB prospect, and could well do great things at Minnesota, perhaps even this year ... but let's not pretend here, he's the starter because of the incredible void at Minnesota at QB. Fleck put his bet on VV, that's who he brought in to be the starter, and that's who was supposed to lead our offense the next couple seasons. VV was a major bust, and that left us with two freshmen.

So you think Zack is below average for FBS? Like maybe a 30% percentile QB.
What did you feel Fleck was expecting Vic to be? Like a 80% FBS QB?

I think they were probably thinking Vic was 50% level, and he turned out to be 20-30% level.
They thought Tanner was 45% level, and he turned out to be 45-50% level.
They thought Zack was going to be 35-40% level, and he might be 50% level.

I think what they were thinking and what they got aren't all that much different but they were still hoping to get someone 75-80 percentile.
 

So you think Zack is below average for FBS? Like maybe a 30% percentile QB.
What did you feel Fleck was expecting Vic to be? Like a 80% FBS QB?

I think they were probably thinking Vic was 50% level, and he turned out to be 20-30% level.
They thought Tanner was 45% level, and he turned out to be 45-50% level.
They thought Zack was going to be 35-40% level, and he might be 50% level.

I think what they were thinking and what they got aren't all that much different but they were still hoping to get someone 75-80 percentile.

Way too early to tell what Zack or Tanner are, in that sense.

VV turned out to be a bust, is all that can be concluded. That was Fleck's bet. VV was supposed to be our bridge until his (Fleck's) QB recruits could mature to the point of taking over. And he couldn't even beat out a redshirt freshman and a kid that was supposed to still be a senior in high school.

In my viewpoint, that speaks more to VV's overrating than it speaks to ZA's overachieving. I could be dead wrong. We will see ...
 

So in 2012 Bartel calls the previous staff to talk to them about the Annexstads? Do I have that right?

I replied “The same NDS that beat y’all at home last year? Got it!”

That was my first thought. Timing seems to be way off. In the comments he says he was probably off on the "last year" part.

My understanding is Zack didn't play much anywhere before his senior season, correct? I can understand why, at that time, the staff wouldn't have much interest in him.
 

It's all speculation until we actually see them play in a game against another D1 opponent.

As others have said, there are players who practice great, but stink in games. there are players who stink in practice, but play great in games. The only way to tell what kind of player they are, is to play them in a game - and preferably in a situation that matters. Coming into a 40-7 game to hand off a few times in the 4th quarter doesn't tell you squat.

Given the Gophers' situation, if it was up to me, I would give both Morgan and Annexstad some time to run the #1 offense during the non-conference games. That allows you to evaluate each QB in game conditions, and give both of them some game experience. (just in case one gets hurt and the other one has to play.)

Again, only Fleck and the coaches know how they really evaluated the two QB's in camp. Annexstad may be light-years ahead of Morgan, or he may be a inch ahead of Morgan.

But - even if Annexstad plays well, I would still like to see Morgan get some meaningful playing time in non-conf - for no other reason than to see what he looks like in a game situation. Morgan is not going to red-shirt, so might as well play him.

(PS - I have never liked the notion that the starting QB MUST play the entire game, or you will "hurt his confidence." If the coaches are open and honest with all QB's about how and when they will play, no one should have their confidence hurt. And, I maintain that, if a QB is having a terrible day, he knows he's playing terrible, and taking him out of the game should not be seen as punishment. Maybe the best thing is to give that QB a break and let him think about things from the sideline for a series or two.)
 

That was my first thought. Timing seems to be way off. In the comments he says he was probably off on the "last year" part.

My understanding is Zack didn't play much anywhere before his senior season, correct? I can understand why, at that time, the staff wouldn't have much interest in him.

Was Zack even at IMG for the 2016 season??

Now, maybe this supposed conversation only occurred with Claeys staff about Brock, in 2016. That I might buy. Seems like this guys is stretching the truth as far as he possibly can muster.
 

Way too early to tell what Zack or Tanner are, in that sense.

VV turned out to be a bust, is all that can be concluded. That was Fleck's bet. VV was supposed to be our bridge until his (Fleck's) QB recruits could mature to the point of taking over. And he couldn't even beat out a redshirt freshman and a kid that was supposed to still be a senior in high school.

In my viewpoint, that speaks more to VV's overrating than it speaks to ZA's overachieving. I could be dead wrong. We will see ...


Seems like your trying to put a lot of heavy weight on Fleck for missing on one of his three QB's like it was failing on a NFL first round draft pick who ends up being a bust.

It was a miss, but how big of an impact is that miss if Zack ends up being a serviceable starter with better passing stats than we anticipated from VV?

All recruits are Fleck's bets. Handy Holly who left as well as all of the guys who are still here.
Are we going to compare how many misses other coaches here had and use that as a frame of reference or are we just going to try and trash Fleck for misses and misses only?

For all we know, Fleck might have had ZA and TM ranked the same as VV but wanted a more experienced starter this year. Is that even plausible?

Also, regarding Vic, is it better that he bailed or would it have been better if Fleck "missed" by "less" and he would still be our #2 or #3 right now?
I think Fleck being decisive with his miss and moving on is probably a good thing.
 




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