We have 6 better pass catchers and 2 better pass throwers than ‘17

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Lakeville Goldy said:
While I appreciate the optimism, this is all based on what? Practice?

Wozniak supposedly never dropped passes in practice. We all know how that worked out on the field.

I hope everything you said is indeed a fact, but at this point we have no proof that Morgan or Annexstad will be any better than Croft and/or Rhoda. How many highly touted QB's have come through this program and never amounted to anything? Too many for me to get too excited until we see a few games.

How is Johnson much improved? Again, like every other receiver last year, he had too many drops. Not as many as some other guys, but he had a few critical ones. Supposedly he was playing hurt toward the end of the year, so hopefully that was the cause, but until I see him consistently hauling in passes.

As far as Dickson, didn't Fleck say they were planning on RS'ing him this year?
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Have they played a game that I'm not aware of...?
 




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Hockeytown said:
You mean best passer since Leidner. Right? Cuz otherwise you are saying your a better judge of football talent than Jerry Kill.
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I once saw Leidner throw a spiral that was not a tight, frozen-rope type of spiral. It actually spun pretty well but the front tip of the ball was pointed up. Weirdest thing.
And, I also saw Mitch underthrow, overthrow, and wobble quite a few here and there. Sure, he could make a tight pass every now and then but Nelson was clearly a better passer and it didn't surprise me when he left.
 

FredCoxRocks said:
I once saw Leidner throw a spiral that was not a tight, frozen-rope type of spiral. It actually spun pretty well but the front tip of the ball was pointed up. Weirdest thing.
And, I also saw Mitch underthrow, overthrow, and wobble quite a few here and there. Sure, he could make a tight pass every now and then but Nelson was clearly a better passer and it didn't surprise me when he left.
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That cold cold Wisc game at home ... TE open up the middle ... I remember that play :(
 

FredCoxRocks said:
I once saw Leidner throw a spiral that was not a tight, frozen-rope type of spiral. It actually spun pretty well but the front tip of the ball was pointed up. Weirdest thing.
And, I also saw Mitch underthrow, overthrow, and wobble quite a few here and there. Sure, he could make a tight pass every now and then but Nelson was clearly a better passer and it didn't surprise me when he left.
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nope, not even Jerry Kill could 'clearly' see Nelson was better.
 

Hockeytown said:
nope, not even Jerry Kill could 'clearly' see Nelson was better.
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Being the better passer and being the better overall QB for Kill's offense are not exclusive to each other.
 



Hockeytown said:
I think Jerry Kill is the best football tactician we have had in years. Im not sure how this bothers you. banned? for what? name calling? nope, thatd be you.
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You should be banned because your posts suck and your schtick is worn out, tired out, and played out.

Name-calling? When did I name call? Saying factually that your posts are terrible is not name-calling.
 


Gophers_4life said:
I think the walk-on part for Annexstad is overblown. I’m thinking he was recruited all the same as the scholarship guys.

Wild guess: Fleck worked with him and the family to convince them to delay the scholarship one year. The family can obviously afford Minnesota tuition, as they paid for IMG. And it allowed Fleck to bring in one more guy who couldn’t afford it without the scholarship, in the class.

Now you could say that “extra” guy was VV, and he had already left. But it was good competition for spring. Pushed each other harder.

Suspect scholarship for Annexstad is coming as soon as NCAA rules allow it. I consider him scholarship now, for all intents and purposes.
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Baker Mayfield was a walk on with only washington state for a P5 offer.
 

Gotta love August! Best month of the year to be a Gopher football fan.
 



btowngopher said:
Baker Mayfield was a walk on with only washington state for a P5 offer.
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Sure, but even Baker at OU was considered like any other PWO: “we’re not sure you’re good enough to be worth a scholarship, but come on down to camp and let’s see ol what you’ve got to offer”.

That’s the actual PWO mentality. I absolutely do not buy for a second that’s how the coaching staff ever viewed ZA. I think they have always viewed him the same as a scholly player.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Sure, but even Baker at OU was considered like any other PWO: “we’re not sure you’re good enough to be worth a scholarship, but come on down to camp and let’s see ol what you’ve got to offer”.

That’s the actual PWO mentality. I absolutely do not buy for a second that’s how the coaching staff ever viewed ZA. I think they have always viewed him the same as a scholly player.
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That's all well and good, but the fact remains that he is a non-scholarship player regardless of how anyone views him.
 

Oh believe me, if/when ZA plays, starts, makes plays, etc that’s all anyone will talk about. “Wow!! Look st this walkon QB for Minnesota! Wow he’s a walkon! Walkon walkon walkin!!” They won’t shutup about it...
 

dpodoll68 said:
That's all well and good, but the fact remains that he is a non-scholarship player regardless of how anyone views him.
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That, and we have Jr. and Sr. scholarship players that aren’t counted as scholarship players.

If Annexstad does start and then excels it will be a great story, no doubt.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Oh believe me, if/when ZA plays, starts, makes plays, etc that’s all anyone will talk about. “Wow!! Look st this walkon QB for Minnesota! Wow he’s a walkon! Walkon walkon walkin!!” They won’t shutup about it...
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Hey did you know he is a walk on?
 

Yes, the overwhelming majority of D1 football players are on scholarship. But, virtually every program in the country has walk-ons, because of scholarship limits. And some of those walk-ons wind up becoming starters and important contributors. Nebraska used to make a big deal of their walk-on program being a key to the program's success.

And, it is still possible (maybe not likely, but possible), that a player from a wealthy family - who does not 'need' the scholarship to attend college - might just decide they want to play college sports, and decline a scholarship - or allow another player to receive a scholarship in his stead out of financial need.

In the end, if Z. Annexstad winds up playing, I suspect that he will eventually receive a scholarship. But, until then, whether he has a scholarship or not, I hope he demonstrates that the best players will play, regardless of their status.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Sure, but even Baker at OU was considered like any other PWO: “we’re not sure you’re good enough to be worth a scholarship, but come on down to camp and let’s see ol what you’ve got to offer”.

That’s the actual PWO mentality. I absolutely do not buy for a second that’s how the coaching staff ever viewed ZA. I think they have always viewed him the same as a scholly player.
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Mayfield was first a walk on at Texas Tech. He played and started several games and got bent out of shape when he still wasn't offered a scholarship. He then left Tech and enrolled at OU and became a veteran walk on as a Sooner.
 

Z. Annexstad can't be given a scholarship until January due to NCAA rules. He will get one in January.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Oh believe me, if/when ZA plays, starts, makes plays, etc that’s all anyone will talk about. “Wow!! Look st this walkon QB for Minnesota! Wow he’s a walkon! Walkon walkon walkin!!” They won’t shutup about it...
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Better yet they should say "Looks like the best recruiter on the team can also play!" :cool:
 

Gophers_4life said:
Sure, but even Baker at OU was considered like any other PWO: “we’re not sure you’re good enough to be worth a scholarship, but come on down to camp and let’s see ol what you’ve got to offer”.

That’s the actual PWO mentality. I absolutely do not buy for a second that’s how the coaching staff ever viewed ZA. I think they have always viewed him the same as a scholly player.
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That's more the mentality of a regular walk-on. PWO's are much more similar to scholly players.

A PWO is guaranteed a spot on the 105 man roster on day one of camp.

It also means that he cannot get a scholarship until his junior season, or else that scholarship counts against the "25" for that year.

What you described was a standard walk-on.
 
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dpodoll68 said:
You should be banned because your posts suck and your schtick is worn out, tired out, and played out.

Name-calling? When did I name call? Saying factually that your posts are terrible is not name-calling.
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I like Jerry Kill’s tactician approach to coaching football.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Any chance they wait until he is a Junior and get a "free" scholarship?
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I doubt it. He is potentially our starter and at worst the #2 QB.

We also freed up a QB scholarship when Vic transferred.
 

John Galt said:
I doubt it. He is potentially our starter and at worst the #2 QB.

We also freed up a QB scholarship when Vic transferred.
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That and non scholarship players can just transfer at will without consequences right?

Do we want that to happen?
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
That and non scholarship players can just transfer at will without consequences right?

Do we want that to happen?
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Non-recruited Student Exception

A student-athlete may transfer and play immediately if he or she met the following conditions at the first institution:

The student-athlete was not recruited according to the NCAA’s definition of recruiting;
The student-athlete never received an athletic scholarship; and
The student-athlete did not practice or compete at all in athletics at the original school except for one 14-day period (i.e. a tryout).
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Yes, the overwhelming majority of D1 football players are on scholarship. But, virtually every program in the country has walk-ons, because of scholarship limits. And some of those walk-ons wind up becoming starters and important contributors. Nebraska used to make a big deal of their walk-on program being a key to the program's success.
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Yes, and that's what I was referring to with PWO's. But I don't believe ZA has ever been treated like the rest of the PWO's that were in his class.


HoustonTXGopher said:
Mayfield was first a walk on at Texas Tech. He played and started several games and got bent out of shape when he still wasn't offered a scholarship. He then left Tech and enrolled at OU and became a veteran walk on as a Sooner.
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Sure. I'm just saying that I don't believe Fleck and staff have ever treated ZA as Mayfield was treated when he first got to Tech (not even talking about then becoming starter and not getting scholly, later on). I'm saying Tech staff viewed him like any other PWO.


John Galt said:
Z. Annexstad can't be given a scholarship until January due to NCAA rules. He will get one in January.
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That makes sense. Just wondering ... what rule is that preventing him from getting a scholly for this fall? Is it the rule saying you may only five 25 "new" players a scholarship per class?


Bob_Loblaw said:
That's more the mentality of a regular walk-on. PWO's are much more similar to scholly players.

A PWO is guaranteed a spot on the 105 man roster on day one of camp.

It also means that he cannot get a scholarship until his junior season, or else that scholarship counts against the "25" for that year.

What you described was a standard walk-on.
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I disagree with your assessment. Yes, there probably is still such a thing as a "classic" walkon at some programs. I don't know if the Gophers (or other P5 teams) have them. I would think not, because you have large schools with probably a large number of interested students, and that takes time & effort for the staff even just to say "no thanks" to each one.

These are kids who can't even join the program until school starts. No fall camp. And each DI football team I believe is limited to a max 105 participants on the roster ... so with PWO + 85 scholly players, you could already get close to that.

A classic walkon is just a body in a uniform for the scout teams. "Rudy" if you will. They aren't recruited.


John Galt said:
I doubt it. He is potentially our starter and at worst the #2 QB.

We also freed up a QB scholarship when Vic transferred.
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That's what I was thinking. VV was the 25th player in the scholarship class, if you will, and he's gone. So that scholly can be given to ZA without breaking the 25 per class rule, I would think.


HoustonTXGopher said:
Non-recruited Student Exception

A student-athlete may transfer and play immediately if he or she met the following conditions at the first institution:

The student-athlete was not recruited according to the NCAA’s definition of recruiting;
The student-athlete never received an athletic scholarship; and
The student-athlete did not practice or compete at all in athletics at the original school except for one 14-day period (i.e. a tryout).
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In my worthless, non-official opinion, there is zero chance that a transferring ZA wouldn't have to sit out a year, if he went to another FBS school.
 

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